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The worst creators ever.

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bronze_rules

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Hated Bill Sienkiewicz's weird covers in the 80s (new mutants, dazzler).

 

Yet, some people see his work as genius.

I still don't get it..

but then again, Goldman Sachs just shelled out 10million for this piece..

 

so what do i know.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-bad-news-about-goldmans-new-art-2009-12

 

oh and frank robbins... bleh.

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goldust40

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I always thought Bagley was a poor artist who benefitted from the higher production values (glossy paper stock, computer coloring etc.) that were around from the 90s onwards. His work would've looked pretty grim if he'd been working in the '70s.

 

I'd add Saviuk, Tuska, Robbins (even though his earlier attempts to ape Caniff were passable), Liefeld, Liefeld and Liefeld. Not mention his contemporaries Valentino and Lim. John Romita Jr. could be excellent but also really quite bad. Also John Byrne, who was great to begin with (didn't hurt that he was inked by Terry Austin) but eventually completely lost his edge.

 

Don Heck's '60s work at Marvel was as we all know very bland, but his '50s pre-code efforts showed he could be good.

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Robbins (even though his earlier attempts to ape Caniff were passable)

 

SA/BA - Robbins gets my vote - I cringe every time I see it. Perhaps you can fill in some blanks for me?

 

Captain Marvel (Marvel) say #5-15? ______________

Shield #8-12? ____________________

Some of those X-Men from like #25-40? _______________

Were the bad Iron Man's all Tuska? hm _______________

Anything Sal Buscema did on his own :grin:

 

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Sal

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Spider-Man143.jpg

Thread back open lol

 

 

no kidding. pointy muscles, no proportions are correct. Ramos makes Liefeld look like Neal Adams.

 

it's not even the anatomy or proportions that bother me on this one, it's the composition.

 

 

wtf is going on in this thing? an narrow section of the Brooklyn Bridge with a miniscule figure of Gwen Stacy falling, a smoke trail that weaves its way through the image, a stylised Peter Parker (?) running in air and a stiff Goblin figure, all jumbled together and muddy.

 

:vomit:

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gaz973

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I hate Ramos's artwork but worse yet is Skottie Young. :sick:

 

As for writers, Jeff Loeb and Chuck Austen are pretty frickin bad.

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goldust40

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Robbins (even though his earlier attempts to ape Caniff were passable)

 

SA/BA - Robbins gets my vote - I cringe every time I see it. Perhaps you can fill in some blanks for me?

 

Captain Marvel (Marvel) say #5-15? ______________

Shield #8-12? ____________________

Some of those X-Men from like #25-40? _______________

Were the bad Iron Man's all Tuska? hm _______________

Anything Sal Buscema did on his own :grin:

 

Heck did CM #s 5 - 10. Frank Springer did Nick Fury 8 - 11, with Barry Smith doing 12 (aping Kirby, as if you didn't know). Heck also did nearly all of X-Men 25 - 40.

 

Not sure about which Iron Mans were by Tuska, but I'd assume he did most of the first 20 - 30 issues. So not all. :/

 

One thing about Sal Buscema - started off as almost as good an artist as his older brother (except he lacked flair with camera angles, facial expressions, etc. compared to JB) and gradually stagnated to the point of Saviuk - ness.

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jbud73

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Hated Bill Sienkiewicz's weird covers in the 80s (new mutants, dazzler).

 

Yet, some people see his work as genius.

I still don't get it..

but then again, Goldman Sachs just shelled out 10million for this piece..

 

so what do i know.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-bad-news-about-goldmans-new-art-2009-12

 

oh and frank robbins... bleh.

 

When I was a kid in the 80s, I have to agree I thought Sienkiewicz's covers were weird. I liked his Moon Knight stuff, but by the time he got to New Mutants and then Elecktra Mini, it really didn't appeal to me. Of course I was 10-12 then, however by the time I hit my later teens and started buying more back issues, the cover artists I really appreciated - or who really stood out in a good way were Sienkiewicz and Barry Smith (though he did so few).

 

The interesting thing to see now is the progression of Sienkiewicz's art, of his style and craft. Now some will say that his story telling ability in sequential panels was harder to follow and maybe even detracted form the story, I've heard that criticism and can see how one could come to that conclusion.

 

That said there is to my mind no denying the artistic quality and interpretation of Sienkiewicz's work, especially the painted covers and I now find myself really wanting to own one. It's funny how your taste and appreciation will change, but I have no doubt that Bill Sienkiewicz impact as an artist on the medium is and will always be one of pushing the envelope in a good way to broaden the spectrum of interpretation for illustration art.

 

2c

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Stryfe1000

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Greg Land :pullhair:

 

Agreed (In the main). Not much skill involved in tracing a pron mag! That said, Phoenix Endsong 1 is probably my fave cover from the last few years.

 

At least tracing helps maintain semi-realistic proportions (albeit the proportions of a semi-silicon xxx star). Perhaps we should all chip in and buy Leifeld a big book of tracing paper to help try and re-ignite his career.

 

 

Then again...

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gaz973

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Jack Kirby went from being a great artist in the Silver Age to a mediocre artist and an awful writer in the Bronze Age. :(

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