2010 Overstreet Price Guide

[G.A.tor]

because it is not logistically possible or even likely feasible at this point in time to adjust the prices of hundreds of thousands of books... the market already has established what percentage they will go for... the guide is just that, a guide... it is not intended to be, nor will it ever be (no matter how often you adjust it) "accurate"... hence, it serves it purpose wonderully (thumbs u

 

Oh, Gator.

 

It absolutely is possible to adjust it accurately to a smaller percentage of error.

 

It just isn't possibly if OSPG are still using cue cards to record data.

 

 

The guide was supposed to be somewhat representative of the market, not the other way around.

 

I understand it won't catch trends that are happening after the time of publication but it's so off base on everything that is important that it's almost comical.

 

I do really enjoy the market reports though.

 

(thumbs u

and I see it as absolutely representative to the market, as the market interprets the listed prices (thumbs u

[VintageComics]

 

Best place to get FMV of books is right here. No kidding. You looking for a book? Just asked opinions. Most have bought it recently or made a best offer.

 

Throw the guides away and ask the experts. Of course, where do THEY get their info?

 

Sure, but how does that work out for the sorry SOB that bought a guide thinking it's accurate?

 

I'm not trying to find a way to find FMV on a book. I have many ways to do that.

 

What I'm asking is why the guide can't be accurate?

 

I can't believe anyone still defends it.

[VintageComics]

because it is not logistically possible or even likely feasible at this point in time to adjust the prices of hundreds of thousands of books... the market already has established what percentage they will go for... the guide is just that, a guide... it is not intended to be, nor will it ever be (no matter how often you adjust it) "accurate"... hence, it serves it purpose wonderully (thumbs u

 

Oh, Gator.

 

It absolutely is possible to adjust it accurately to a smaller percentage of error.

 

It just isn't possibly if OSPG are still using cue cards to record data.

 

 

The guide was supposed to be somewhat representative of the market, not the other way around.

 

I understand it won't catch trends that are happening after the time of publication but it's so off base on everything that is important that it's almost comical.

 

I do really enjoy the market reports though.

 

(thumbs u

and I see it as absolutely representative to the market, as the market interprets the listed prices (thumbs u

 

The market "interprets" the listed prices because the market has come to accept that the OSPG is wrong.

 

[VintageComics]

Adjusting to a percentage of guide for common mid-grade books has become so institutionalized and ingrained in the market that even if the Guide was able to adjust the prices to reflect real world sales, confusion would be the primary result.

 

(thumbs u

 

Right, so if everyone was in agreement that square wheels didn't work we'd just build a better suspension to absorb the bumps than rather rebuild the wheel.

 

[Primetime]

But it does bring up a basic contradiction. You have people saying its pricing info is irrelevant and yet it's still being used widely for pricing.

 

Being used, and being the "final word" are still two entirely different things.

 

I don't think anyone will dispute that the guide still has a pretty notable place in the hobby; I think the disconnect begins (if there even is one anymore) if/when people say "it guides for $1,000; it's a $1,000 book"

 

It gives you a ballpark number, it helps you understand if the book is valuable, significant, both or neither, but it shouldn't give you a sticker price routinely, heck, just the nature of its publication suggests that it really shouldn't be used for de facto pricing, because if the hobby is thriving, prices shouldn't be static for a year.

the guide is very useful to the novice collector. There is plenty a newbie to the hobby can learn by reading the Overstreet and getting to know what dealers are out there...it has been the backbone for pricing, advertising, and market reporting for 40 years, but the internet and the multitudes of auction houses are challenging it's existence in paper form.

[Primetime]

40th anv edition

waiting to your market report

my market market report will hopefully be in there, though it was truncated a bit, I hear

and it will say you realized some earth shattering prices on Modern keys

[Primetime]

But it does bring up a basic contradiction. You have people saying its pricing info is irrelevant and yet it's still being used widely for pricing.

 

There’s truth in paradoxes... I guess.

 

Overstreet is fun to page through and like Gator mentioned it's great for conventions.

i like looking at new dealer ads

[DiceX]

It's taking them an extra 3 months to recalculate the prices due to the new wealth redistribution.

I'm looking forward to buying that $1.5 mil AC1 for cover price. (thumbs u

 

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

But that requires mental gymnastics. Granted, it's mental gymnastics we all do, but wouldn't it be nice if the OPG said something was worth $70 in X grade, that it actually SOLD for around $70 in X grade....? You know, like it used to do in the 70's and 80's?

 

Is that so much to ask?

[Primetime]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

But that requires mental gymnastics. Granted, it's mental gymnastics we all do, but wouldn't it be nice if the OPG said something was worth $70 in X grade, that it actually SOLD for around $70 in X grade....? You know, like it used to do in the 70's and 80's?

 

Is that so much to ask?

tough to ask in some cases because CGC is tagging books and so we know relative scarcity. The books that are becoming confirmed as "scarce" or have an apparent scarcity are commanding multiple guide values. In these cases (high grade, scarcity, and high demand/low availability), the guide will never reflect FMV across the board. The internet has changed today's market from what it was in past decades.

[RockMyAmadeus]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

But that requires mental gymnastics. Granted, it's mental gymnastics we all do, but wouldn't it be nice if the OPG said something was worth $70 in X grade, that it actually SOLD for around $70 in X grade....? You know, like it used to do in the 70's and 80's?

 

Is that so much to ask?

tough to ask in some cases because CGC is tagging books and so we know relative scarcity. The books that are becoming confirmed as "scarce" or have an apparent scarcity are commanding multiple guide values. In these cases (high grade, scarcity, and high demand/low availability), the guide will never reflect FMV across the board. The internet has changed today's market from what it was in past decades.

 

That means we have even better access...and more accurate access...to this information than ever before.

 

There's almost nothing from 1962-up that is genuinely scarce, especially Marvel/DC.

 

For the truly scarce stuff, whether absolutely, or in high grade, then yes, some leeway has to be given.

 

But the common stuff far, far, far outweighs the scarce stuff. OPG doesn't even bother with ultra high grade anyways, so that consideration is out. And really....is Amazing Spiderman #14 "scarce" by any definition of that word...? Or even #1? With 1631 copies on the census, and probably less than 5% of those resubs, the book just ain't rare. There are enough sales to give a fairly accurate portrayal of value for the vast, vast majority of the books in the OPG.

[Primetime]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

But that requires mental gymnastics. Granted, it's mental gymnastics we all do, but wouldn't it be nice if the OPG said something was worth $70 in X grade, that it actually SOLD for around $70 in X grade....? You know, like it used to do in the 70's and 80's?

 

Is that so much to ask?

tough to ask in some cases because CGC is tagging books and so we know relative scarcity. The books that are becoming confirmed as "scarce" or have an apparent scarcity are commanding multiple guide values. In these cases (high grade, scarcity, and high demand/low availability), the guide will never reflect FMV across the board. The internet has changed today's market from what it was in past decades.

 

That means we have even better access...and more accurate access...to this information than ever before.

 

There's almost nothing from 1962-up that is genuinely scarce, especially Marvel/DC.

 

For the truly scarce stuff, whether absolutely, or in high grade, then yes, some leeway has to be given.

 

But the common stuff far, far, far outweighs the scarce stuff. OPG doesn't even bother with ultra high grade anyways, so that consideration is out. And really....is Amazing Spiderman #14 "scarce" by any definition of that word...? Or even #1? With 1631 copies on the census, and probably less than 5% of those resubs, the book just ain't rare. There are enough sales to give a fairly accurate portrayal of value for the vast, vast majority of the books in the OPG.

yah, some major revamping must be done in the future...perhaps a split in the guide to reflect CGC FMV and raw FMV. Overstreet should have an online form for sure.

[Jeffro.]

But it does bring up a basic contradiction. You have people saying its pricing info is irrelevant and yet it's still being used widely for pricing.

 

There’s truth in paradoxes... I guess.

 

Overstreet is fun to page through and like Gator mentioned it's great for conventions.

i like looking at new dealer ads

 

I prefer the dealer ads back about 20+ years ago. They seemed more interesting/original back then.

[Crowzilla]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

What about those "slabbed, better graders" that still only sell for a fraction of guide? You know things like USA #1, Young Allies #1 (two different 9.0s at Heritage that sold for about 1/2 guide), More Funs above #70 (including 101 and 73), most issues of All-American above #25 (even in high grade), etc. etc. that continue to stay at the same price in the guide, but generally move up slightly every year even though actual sales are all generally well below guide?

 

[G.A.tor]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

What about those "slabbed, better graders" that still only sell for a fraction of guide? You know things like USA #1, Young Allies #1 (two different 9.0s at Heritage that sold for about 1/2 guide), More Funs above #70 (including 101 and 73), most issues of All-American above #25 (even in high grade), etc. etc. that continue to stay at the same price in the guide, but generally move up slightly every year even though actual sales are all generally well below guide?

you said it, "fraction of guide"... the guide is still relative, though I have offered my thoughts on pricing (thumbs u

[JLA_ALL_THE_WAY]

GPA is my guide...

 

I buy this from time to time for laughs.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

So what do you do about non-slabbed books, since GPA is only for slabs?

 

Thats easy:

 

For books not in relatively high demand, I find the price for a comparable CGC copy, and deduct costs (slabbing/s/h). Easy peasy lemon-squeezy.

 

Or go to ebay/clink/heritage/metro/blah/blah/blah & see what unsold copies were "priced" at...and cut in half.

 

(thumbs u

 

Rick

[bug33fouf]

I just started getting into Golden Age books the last 6 months and I would be totally lost without the Overstreet guide. It seems like every time I check GPA for a Golden Age issue, the last sale is 2 years or older. The Golden Age guide prices seem to be a good starting point, just price the comic higher or lower based on the current demand/market conditions for a particular issue.

 

 

[G.A.tor]

I just started getting into Golden Age books the last 6 months and I would be totally lost without the Overstreet guide. It seems like every time I check GPA for a Golden Age issue, the last sale is 2 years or older. The Golden Age guide prices seem to be a good starting point, just price the comic higher or lower based on the current demand/market conditions for a particular issue.

 

 

I am slowly compiling a list of hundreds of GA slab sales from the past 2 years that should be included in GPA soon

[bug33fouf]

it is completely relevant on 95% of the rest of the books listed in the guide that don't get slabbed, etc (thumbs u

 

But what about the vast majority of mid grade non keys that, at least compared to some on here, don't realize anywhere near those prices? Also, stated by advisors over the years in their market reports.

I also see comics being sold here at significant guide discounts that still don't move but that could be just because we are a bunch of cheapskates

I guess it is relative... folks "know" what percent of guide (hence its relevance) those non slabbed, mid graders go for (thumbs u

 

But that requires mental gymnastics. Granted, it's mental gymnastics we all do, but wouldn't it be nice if the OPG said something was worth $70 in X grade, that it actually SOLD for around $70 in X grade....? You know, like it used to do in the 70's and 80's?

 

Is that so much to ask?

tough to ask in some cases because CGC is tagging books and so we know relative scarcity. The books that are becoming confirmed as "scarce" or have an apparent scarcity are commanding multiple guide values. In these cases (high grade, scarcity, and high demand/low availability), the guide will never reflect FMV across the board. The internet has changed today's market from what it was in past decades.

 

[VintageComics]

I just started getting into Golden Age books the last 6 months and I would be totally lost without the Overstreet guide. It seems like every time I check GPA for a Golden Age issue, the last sale is 2 years or older. The Golden Age guide prices seem to be a good starting point, just price the comic higher or lower based on the current demand/market conditions for a particular issue.

 

 

I am slowly compiling a list of hundreds of GA slab sales from the past 2 years that should be included in GPA soon

 

...and for that you are to be greatly commended!