This One Is For Murph0 - Bronze Age CGC "Upgrade"

[OldGuy]

For all those that think this phenomenon is limited to GA books only:

 

CGC 8.5 graded Hulk 181 before being "fixed"

 

CGC 9.2 graded Hulk 181 after "fixed"

 

Look at the "OL" in Wolverine. What's up with that?

[Red Hook]

You are definitely walkin' the beat Officer Old Guy! Nice work!

[Fan4Fan]

For all those that think this phenomenon is limited to GA books only:

 

CGC 8.5 graded Hulk 181 before being "fixed"

 

CGC 9.2 graded Hulk 181 after "fixed"

 

Look at the "OL" in Wolverine. What's up with that?

 

Looks like it might have been a tape grab.

 

If it had happened most anywhere else on that book, it wouldn't have been able to heal itself. Fortunately, it tapped into Wolverine's mutant abilities...

 

Thanks,

Fan4Fan

[OldGuy]

You are definitely walkin' the beat Officer Old Guy! Nice work!

 

All credit to Comic-Keys.

[drbanner]

For all those that think this phenomenon is limited to GA books only:

 

CGC 8.5 graded Hulk 181 before being "fixed"

 

CGC 9.2 graded Hulk 181 after "fixed"

 

Look at the "OL" in Wolverine. What's up with that?

 

Looks like it might have been a tape grab.

 

If it had happened most anywhere else on that book, it wouldn't have been able to heal itself. Fortunately, it tapped into Wolverine's mutant abilities...

 

Thanks,

Fan4Fan

 

The Heritage scan has crud on it, both what look to be individual styrofoam cells and other miscellaneous scuff marks, so I would guess that the white stuff is on the inner well and/or the slab.

[OldGuy]

For all those that think this phenomenon is limited to GA books only:

 

CGC 8.5 graded Hulk 181 before being "fixed"

 

CGC 9.2 graded Hulk 181 after "fixed"

 

Look at the "OL" in Wolverine. What's up with that?

 

Looks like it might have been a tape grab.

 

If it had happened most anywhere else on that book, it wouldn't have been able to heal itself. Fortunately, it tapped into Wolverine's mutant abilities...

 

Thanks,

Fan4Fan

 

The Heritage scan has crud on it, both what look to be individual styrofoam cells and other miscellaneous scuff marks, so I would guess that the white stuff is on the inner well and/or the slab.

 

I'm thinking the same thing the more I look at it. Nice resub any way you look at it though.

[BachelorOfComix]

Throughout the whole ad he calls it a "CGC NM 9.4". What's up with that?

[drbanner]

That's for sure! The link you have is to an old auction of his for a 9.4 copy, but the image is for his current 9.2 copy (which was the Heritage 8.5 copy) which ends today. That's one way to flip an 8.5 into a 9.2!!

[OldGuy]

That's for sure! The link you have is to an old auction of his for a 9.4 copy, but the image is for his current 9.2 copy (which was the Heritage 8.5 copy) which ends today. That's one way to flip an 8.5 into a 9.2!!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35761&item=2227318991

[garthgantu]

OG, if you and Danny boy keep 'exposing' these flips, Matt and the other Heritage employees will have to keep posting smaller and smaller scans (with BIG pics of the labels, of course) in the "after" auctions, to make the comparisons more difficult...!

[Murph]

So he resubmitted a book? Big deal. Matt Stanley resubbed a book 3 times that went from 8.5 to 9.2. What's your point? That styrafoam and scuff marks on the casing are restoration???

 

Brian

[OldGuy]

So he resubmitted a book? Big deal. Matt Stanley resubbed a book 3 times that went from 8.5 to 9.2. What's your point?

 

My point is that it isn't only GA books that can make large jumps in grade.

 

That styrafoam and scuff marks on the casing are restoration???

 

Um, no. Scuff marks and spine splits aren't restoration either. They are damage smart guy.

 

Just hang on a little longer Murph. Soon you'll be seeing examples of many cases of the same type of clean and resub game with Silver Age books as you've seen with GA books. You may soon reconsider your "as long as it's not affecting the books I collect I don't care" attitude. Do you really think that Silver Age books are immune? You're whistling in the dark if you think that's true.

 

 

[LordRahl]

If the stuff that's on the OL of Wolverine is dried on foreign matter that was on the book it may just have been scraped off with a fingernail which would account for the bump in grade. I've had books with "stuff" on them that scraped off pretty easily and you could never tell there was anything there. If you're making a case that it should be considered resto I won't argue, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[OldGuy]

If you're making a case that it should be considered resto I won't argue, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

I'm not making a case for anything. I'm just posting pictures and asking what people think.

[Murph]

It must be that time of the month, huh? You and Hammer can finally team up to bring down the evil empire of CGC!

 

Yeh, great.. you've proven something we all know. Lots of books can jump in grade. Congratulations, as I said before. It's already been illustrated numerous times on here so don't think you're showing us all something new.

 

Brian

[LordRahl]

Your use of the word "fixed" implies you think that the book was restored, as does your inference to it not being limited to GA books. If I'm right about what was done to the book to up the grade, I don't consider that to be restoration. You may disagree but please don't tell me that you're not making a case for anything

[BachelorOfComix]

[garthgantu]

So he resubmitted a book? Big deal. Matt Stanley resubbed a book 3 times that went from 8.5 to 9.2. What's your point? That styrafoam and scuff marks on the casing are restoration???

 

Brian

 

Of course not, you fool - removal of scuff marks and styrofoam from the casing is restoration!!

 

Buy the label, not the plexiglass!

[OldGuy]

It must be that time of the month, huh? You and Hammer can finally team up to bring down the evil empire of CGC!

 

Yeh, great.. you've proven something we all know. Lots of books can jump in grade. Congratulations, as I said before. It's already been illustrated numerous times on here so don't think you're showing us all something new.

 

Brian

 

Ok Murph, how about this. Just ignore the threads I start. Problem solved.

[OldGuy]

Your use of the word "fixed" implies you think that the book was restored, as does your inference to it not being limited to GA books. If I'm right about what was done to the book to up the grade, I don't consider that to be restoration. You may disagree but please don't tell me that you're not making a case for anything

 

I'm not making a case for anything.