How Do We Achieve Pro-Active Disclosure In The Marketplace?

[AbsoluteCarnage]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Because it is a complete waste of time and nobody besides some of those on the CGC boards care. I've been to plenty of shows and never heard one person ask if a book was pressed. Never.

 

Within the next 5 to 10 years all of the books that can benefit from pressing will have been pressed so if collecting CGC is your thing and you don't like pressing then you might as well find a new hobby.

You're as bananas as Rino. Possibly worse as you're coherent.

Some wild assumptions there. I think a good fart could break this one loose. (thumbs u

You just missed one here. I just lit my wife up!

 

 

too much

[DrWatson]

You ask.

 

Not a problem - and what's the likelihood that I'll get an honest answer when the seller knows I don't buy pressed books?

Depends on the seller. The one that's going to lie, is going to lie regardless. Not to be a basturd, but do you label the books on your website as "Not Pressed" ? I honestly haven't looked.

 

We don't. We don't say restored either unless we know.

 

If we knew any books were pressed we would say so in the description.

 

This is about sellers who know books have been pressed stating that fact upfront.

 

It's not about anything else.

Actually it is. Proactive disclosure works both ways. I want to know which books haven't been pressed so I can crack, press and resub them.

 

We have this disclaimer on our website.

"If we know that any of our comics are restored or manipulated in any way (such as trimmed, pressed, colour touched sealed tears, etc) then we will list it in the notes for that individual comic. We do not restore or manipulate comics ourselves and will always disclose any such work that we are aware of."

 

In the 8 months since we started, we've sold two pressed books that were both proactively disclosed.

[thirdgreenham]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

I put a "P" on mine.

[Old Fashion PB and J]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

I put a "P" on mine.

All my pressed books are in registry sets. In the comments it will say pressed, and by who. Makes it easier when I sell.

[skypinkblu]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

P R

[Old Fashion PB and J]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

P R

Logic is not acceptable here

[Dale Roberts]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

P R

 

Seriously, pressing is NOT restoration. It is a different process, but calling pressing restoration is like calling water milk. The simple fact that you call it that doesn't make it so.

 

Drives me nuts when people who frequent the CGC boards basically ignore CGC's stance on pressing. They don't care. If you don't believe it, ask them. I have and they don't.

 

If you want to go to the CBCA board and post such drivel that is fine. The kool aid drinkers will lap it right up.

 

Sorry for going off on you guys, but I feel the post was inappropriate in a grown up conversation.

[Old Fashion PB and J]

In response to the cbca kool aid drinkers.... I helped create the org. And I press books, as do 2 other board of directors-founders. But thanks Dale, pretend the cca and NOD are the same. They arent..

[Theagenes]

In response to the cbca kool aid drinkers.... I helped create the org. And I press books, as do 2 other board of directors-founders. But thanks Dale, pretend the cca and NOD are the same. They arent..

 

Dale, Just to back Pat up here, I also helped create the organzation, I am an officer and former president. I have had books pressed and will continue to have books pressed. I have no problem with pressing.

 

CBCA is not NOD - it really isn't. With one or two exceptions, most of the people that you probably associate with NOD and antipressing are no longer associated with the CBCA (at least not actively). The opinions on pressing are probably just as diverse among CBCA members as they are here. In fact there is far more discussion of pressing here than on the CBCA boards. As about half the membership joined from outside these boards, I suspect that many of the newest members know very little if anything about pressing. To be honest, CBCA seems to be evolving into more of social organization than anything else.

[Old Fashion PB and J]

[fantastic_four]

Seriously, pressing is NOT restoration. It is a different process, but calling pressing restoration is like calling water milk. The simple fact that you call it that doesn't make it so.

 

Drives me nuts when people who frequent the CGC boards basically ignore CGC's stance on pressing. They don't care. If you don't believe it, ask them. I have and they don't.

 

If you want to go to the CBCA board and post such drivel that is fine. The kool aid drinkers will lap it right up.

 

Sorry for going off on you guys, but I feel the post was inappropriate in a grown up conversation.

 

CGC can't call it that because they're in the business of selling restoration detection, but since you can't detect pressing, it weakens their credibility to call it restoration, so it's better for business if they don't. Their vested business interest biases them on the subject.

 

I could care less about pressing other than everyone constantly complaining about it, and I love restoration...but pressing is restoring the book to a previous state. That's restoration. I respect Overstreet for changing his own way of describing pressing. He used to describe it as restoration, but when CGC decided not to, he backed off and just describes it as controversial, which is absolutely true. I presume he did it in the interest of pragmatism and consensus-building, which is fantastic.

[comicdonna]

In response to the cbca kool aid drinkers.... I helped create the org. And I press books, as do 2 other board of directors-founders. But thanks Dale, pretend the cca and NOD are the same. They arent..

As someone who also helped create the CBCA, I would like to thank Dale for his comment as well. (thumbs u

[Mac Man]

I will press everything here on out. Because then my collection will be worth more

 

In all seriousness I have always admired those who are pro-active in disclosure. And when I became (somewhat) more knowledgeable, it is the path I took as well. Just seems right.

 

And as much as I like Dale Roberts I ask this. If it is too hard to disclose upfront since you will have to find out what books were or were not pressed, etc.. What difference would it make later? If you dont know, you dont know. But why not just log your books as pressed or not? It isnt difficult. Im sure you know which are restored right? What is the difficult aspect of keeping another set of notes?

 

 

Pat,

Seriously, do you have any idea how many books I go through? Obviously not or you wouldn't suggest it is just as easy as keeping another set of notes. And the simple fact is, I don't want to spend any more time "working" than I do now.

I guarantee that it is easier for you to ask me, than it is for me to dig back through invoices to find out what nobody buy a few guys on this board care about.

And I deal in so few restored books of any kind, I can pretty much name them right off the top of my head, and I always put an R in the price tag to note restoration.

Dale

 

P R

 

Seriously, pressing is NOT restoration. It is a different process, but calling pressing restoration is like calling water milk. The simple fact that you call it that doesn't make it so.

 

Drives me nuts when people who frequent the CGC boards basically ignore CGC's stance on pressing. They don't care. If you don't believe it, ask them. I have and they don't.

 

If you want to go to the CBCA board and post such drivel that is fine. The kool aid drinkers will lap it right up.

 

Sorry for going off on you guys, but I feel the post was inappropriate in a grown up conversation.

 

Dale,

 

First, I don't think Sha is calling pressing restoration. I interpret her post as your simply adding a "P" on your book notes in the same way you post an "R" for restored books.

 

Second, as others stated, the CBCA rarely even discusses pressing. In fact, the topic was only recently brought up over there as a carry over from the discussion here--and nowhere near the extent that it continues to go on here. I'm totally fine with pressing as are other members who are actively involved in the organization. I'm fine with comparisons and analogies... providing they're accurate. You'd certainly dislike my painting all dealers with a broad brushstroke as I'm sure you'd not want others to place you in the company of some dealers.

 

Third, I'm kind of disappointed. I haven't been a customer of yours but I've always looked through your sales threads as you seem to uncover quite a bit of different stuff. Heck! Your booth was the first I hit at NY this year. But there is something that bothers me about someone who consciously holds back information from a potential buyer--regardless of whether they ask or not. I completely understand that it takes more time to keep track of add'l info, and more often than not, that info is just not available. As buyers, we can really only ask so much from sellers--full-time or part-time.

 

And up to this point, I've really only heard positive things about you... but to hear from your own mouth (relatively speaking) that you won't actively disclose information about a book when you may know about it? It just doesn't strike me as completely honest and forthright. It's goes along with what my old battalion commander used to tell us all the time, "Do the hard right versus the easy wrong." While it takes more work to keep track of additional details, I think it speaks volumes about that person. And while I thoroughly respect the belief that pressing isn't wrong (because, again, I also espouse this mindset), that doesn't mean others aren't or wouldn't be bothered by it and wouldn't want to know (because let's face, we all forget to ask some questions about some books we've purchased).

 

I understand that my opinion doesn't really matter in the long since I've not been a purchasing customer from you up to this point and am but one member of the boards (amongst MANY). And please don't think I'm painting you as a "bad guy" or anything along those lines as I am not. I just think it would be an opportunity to take the higher road in taking care of customers.

 

[Mr. Zipper]

Seriously, pressing is NOT restoration. It is a different process, but calling pressing restoration is like calling water milk. The simple fact that you call it that doesn't make it so.

 

Drives me nuts when people who frequent the CGC boards basically ignore CGC's stance on pressing. They don't care. If you don't believe it, ask them. I have and they don't.

 

If you want to go to the CBCA board and post such drivel that is fine. The kool aid drinkers will lap it right up.

 

Sorry for going off on you guys, but I feel the post was inappropriate in a grown up conversation.

 

Whether you consider it "drivel" or not, there are plenty of bright, educated people who think that when you remove damage from a book, it is restoration -- regardless of "CGC's definition." Perhaps the people who unthinkingly accept CGC's definition are the "Kool-Aid drinkers."

 

In all due respect Dale, the hobby as a whole does not revolve around CGC or this particular message board. This is merely a small segment of the community.

[Boozad]

What's Kool Aid?

[seanfingh]

What's Kool Aid?

 

You guys call it "Flavor-Aide."

[zuckuss2003]

What's Kool Aid?

It's what the HVAC repair man brings.

[Boozad]

What's Kool Aid?

 

You guys call it "Flavor-Aide."

 

What???

[Old Fashion PB and J]

flavor aide is krap

[DrWatson]

What's Kool Aid?

 

You guys call it "Flavor-Aide."

He wouldn't know. It's non-alcoholic.