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[Norrin_Radd]

there's a reason that Marvel BA Horror doesn't get respect--it don't deserve any

Man-Wolf...a superhero spin off Hardly scary...

 

....

 

On second thought, BassGMan is right--everyone concentrate on Marvel....

 

What about Morbius??? I think this Marvel character deserves some consideration...

 

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[PovertyRow]

Marvel Bronze Horror just 'aint gettin' the respect it deserves on this thread (don't forget about these books too POV).

 

I haven't. I started collecting them again several months before starting the DC BA horror and have a lot of books like WWBN, Brother Voodoo, Supernatural Thrillers, Doc Strange etc. (many semi-complete runs). And in the old days of collecting I actually had a ton of them, so am already familiar with most. Just still blinded by these books I had not seen before!

[sterlingcomics]

What about Morbius??? I think this Marvel character deserves some consideration...

 

Call me a purist.

 

Personally, any character that came from a superhero background just isn't believable for a "horror" character. TOD and WBN are the only ongoing character that makes the cut IMHO. And even some of these issues were riddled with other Marvel characters: Iron Man, Dr Strange, Moon Knight etc. which stretched my patience. If I wanted freakin superheros, I woudl've picked up one.

[BassGMan]

What about Morbius??? I think this Marvel character deserves some consideration...

 

Call me a purist.

 

Personally, any character that came from a superhero background just isn't believable for a "horror" character. TOD and WBN are the only ongoing character that makes the cut IMHO. And even some of these issues were riddled with other Marvel characters: Iron Man, Dr Strange, Moon Knight etc. which stretched my patience. If I wanted freakin superheros, I woudl've picked up one.

 

Mr. Purist, I can understand that sentiment. Marvel original Bronze horror was mostly superhero/villians made into classic monsters. But from my point of view, more of a cover and art guy than a reader guy, it's all equally horror to me. A cover like I posted above with Man-Wolf, that cover on it's own to me is pretty dang frightening. I mean, it looks as if ol' Manny is about to drop his head and just rip into that girl's throat. To me, that is horror. Story-wise I understand your point and if I read these books I'd probably agree with it. -----Sid

[Jayman]

Marvel Bronze Horror just 'aint gettin' the respect it deserves on this thread (don't forget about these books too POV). Although it was just earlier this year that I caught the DC bronze horror bug, I have been into these Marvel books for the last 30 years. ----Sid

 

BassGMan, Although I've alwaysed liked DC, I was most definitely weened on Marvel BA horror, and Man-Wolf was one of my favorites along with Morbius!

 

I was SO thrilled to see Man-Wolf (sort of) hinted at in Spiderman II that I was a total surprise to my niece and nephew (who I took to the movie) about the information of the origin of the various characters that they had no clue about. They started asking me questions about EVERYTHING and all I would say is that they would have to wait and see what the next movie would bring!

[buttock]

I thought the Morbius stuff in Vampire Tales was pretty decent horror reading. Unsullied by superhero fluff, there was a lot of sheer vampire bloody terror.

[Norrin_Radd]

I thought the Morbius stuff in Vampire Tales was pretty decent horror reading. Unsullied by superhero fluff, there was a lot of sheer vampire bloody terror.

 

Glad to see there are someone who will stick up for Morbius on this board!

 

P.S. - there is some nice Vampire Tales art up for sale NOW by Heritage (including the page I posted)... should go for relatively cheap too.

[sterlingcomics]

A cover like I posted above with Man-Wolf, that cover on it's own to me is pretty dang frightening.

 

"What you talkin' bout, Willis?"

 

To me, all I need to do is add a swinging Spider-man to eliminate any effect intended. ManWolf looks like he's ready to take a dump. Simply comical. The horror of it is simply that they would take a superhero villian and make him anything that I would be fearful of in the horror sense. Just me...Diffrent Strokes.

 

 

[Norrin_Radd]

A cover like I posted above with Man-Wolf, that cover on it's own to me is pretty dang frightening.

 

"What you talkin' bout, Willis?"

 

To me, all I need to do is add a swinging Spider-man to eliminate any effect intended. ManWolf looks like he's ready to take a dump. Simply comical. The horror of it is simply that they would take a superhero villian and make him anything that I would be fearful of in the horror sense. Just me...Diffrent Strokes.

 

 

 

Man-Wolf taking a dump... that should make the next Photoshop Phriday!

 

http://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop/

[shiverbones]

Back from hiatus! I missed a lot!

 

Charltons are king! (well after DC...) and if you think DC horror is tough in high grade Charlton i smind numbing!

 

Dice - That TZ cover grabbed me as well the 1st time i saw it, its in my collection too.

 

Morbius is wonderful, ASM 101 is one of my fave spideys, and the vampire tales issues are really solid reads,with nice art!

[BassGMan]

A cover like I posted above with Man-Wolf, that cover on it's own to me is pretty dang frightening.

 

"What you talkin' bout, Willis?"

 

To me, all I need to do is add a swinging Spider-man to eliminate any effect intended. ManWolf looks like he's ready to take a dump. Simply comical. The horror of it is simply that they would take a superhero villian and make him anything that I would be fearful of in the horror sense. Just me...Diffrent Strokes.

 

 

 

Well, well, well Mr. Drummond. The only real terror is Dana Plato. A video store robbing Playboy model wannabe who's dead by her own hand? Oh, the horror of it all.-------Willis

[awe4one]

there's a reason that Marvel BA Horror doesn't get respect--it don't deserve any

 

Would you say Chamber and Tower shouldn't get any respect?

 

Jim

[shiverbones]

Chamber & tower should! Wood, Wrightson, Smith & of course Steranko turning in one of the best stories of the entire genre!

[sterlingcomics]

there's a reason that Marvel BA Horror doesn't get respect--it don't deserve any

 

Would you say Chamber and Tower shouldn't get any respect?

 

Jim

 

In the general sense,

NO

 

Chamber and Tower,

YES

 

..and I would add a couple more. But cmon, Man-Dump and Dorphius?

[sterlingcomics]

Well, well, well Mr. Drummond. The only real terror is Dana Plato. A video store robbing Playboy model wannabe who's dead by her own hand? Oh, the horror of it all.-------Willis

 

Actually, that's more like a Greek Tragedy, except no one cared

[sterlingcomics]

Shiver me timbers, it's Matthew!

 

All moved in yet?

[precodekeith]

 

I was SO thrilled to see Man-Wolf (sort of) hinted at in Spiderman II that I was a total surprise to my niece and nephew (who I took to the movie) about the information of the origin of the various characters that they had no clue about. They started asking me questions about EVERYTHING and all I would say is that they would have to wait and see what the next movie would bring!

 

AHA! I haven't seen the movie, but that might explain why at a show I set up at in early August there were a couple different "hero guys" ( who had dealer tables as well) who were sniffing through my two long boxes of bronze horror dupes and asking me if I had any Man Wolf! Let the Marvel speculation begin!

[shiverbones]

Hey Sterling! Yes moved in and pretty together. I still have to go back & clean the old apartment up though Guess i need that security deposit back. Good to be back!

[BassGMan]

Hey Sterling! Yes moved in and pretty together. I still have to go back & clean the old apartment up though Guess i need that security deposit back. Good to be back!

 

Shiver, I hope you have more room for your comics in your new place. You'll need it.

[Mushroom]

Just thought I would share some thoughts sent to me from one of the two guys who bought the Jack Adler collection. The reason I have placed it here is that to me the important part of the collection relates to the BA DC Horror genre. Robert from keycomics (ebay id) has been supplying me for quite a while with stunning horror coloured covers, approval covers and production proofs. I know that I should be posting some of this stuff (like the signed Adams HOM #174) but work truly impacts on this and I just haven't got my scanner hooked up to my lap top. I will make a concerted effort to do this in the near future.

 

I hope that you enjoy reading about this truly remarkable man.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: KEY COMICS [mailto:keycomics@hotmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2004 8:04 AM

To: Billington, John

Cc: jbill59@hotmail.com

Subject: House Of Mystery: MORE SIGNATURES OBTAINED!

 

Hi John,

 

I went back to San Diego Comic-Con, and many noteworthy artists were

present. The most exciting was none other than the reclusive JACK ADLER!

Jack Adler was out of the public eye for a quarter century, before making

his first ever convention appearance at this year, at the urgings of several

concerned loved ones. (His beloved wife died recently, at 86 years.) I

went by his designated "Pro Booth" in Artist Alley repeatedly, but never saw

him there. (And I don't blame him, as that speedy electric

scooter/wheelchair he drives would be difficult to navigate through the

pandemonium of the massive half-million square-foot convention center

exhibit hall, with it's countless frenzied fans packing the hundreds of

bustling aisles!) He didn't sign anything after the Golden-Age And

Silver-Age panel on Thursday, needing to get some food, mentioning his

diabetes. Then on Friday I had the good fortune of getting to spend some

time visiting with him and his friendly family, (including his son with his

lovely wife, and his amiable Grandson, Jason.) He signed just a few pieces

for me, then they had plans to go to the San Diego Zoo!

 

He remembered doing this one: SUPERBOY #184 HAND-COLORED, (with a witch

casting a spell, so Superboy can see his reflection in the mirror as an

ancient decrepit senior-citizen Superman; To a cool "52-page bigger and

better" early 1972 issue) Jack Adler himself has signed it by Superboy's

foot, near the lower left corner! I would not expect to see any Adler sig's

hitting the market. Ever. It was clear from talking to his relatives, this

would likely be his lone final appearance as he is very elderly.

 

It was absolutely awesome being able to talk to him about the

stuff, and show him some of the actual pieces he painted. And he told some

great stories. I wrote a little updated "biography" about Adler, which is

more "fit for public consumption", which you may enjoy:

 

Jack Adler was DC Comics' premiere colorist from the early '50's through the

mid '80's, hiring and mentoring many budding young artists as head of the

art department for much of his tenure. He graduated from high school at the

age of fifteen, and quickly got a degree in fine art. He became proficient

at sculpting, pencilling, inking, painting, and photography. He pioneered

the washtone/graytone effect which became so popular on the DC "Big Five"

war titles, which were so popular thirty to forty years ago! In addition, he

inked hundreds of covers over several decades as well; such as dozens of

G.I. Combat covers and the entire run of Sea Devils, for but a couple

examples... (You'll also see his name on the front cover of Plop #18, which

he did with Basil Wolverton!) Moreover, he also developed the "3-D" process

used on the Batman 3-D and Superman 3-D comics in 1953; --so we're talking

about a major contributor to DC history! A couple weeks ago, the living

legend himself, Jack Adler, (thought by many in the industry to have passed

away years ago), at the urgings of his kind family, made his very first

public appearance, at the San Diego Comic-Con! He was honored Thursday

afternoon with the Inkpot Award For Excellence for Outstanding Achievement

In Comic Art, and a rousing standing ovation from the many onlookers at the

panel of Golden-Age and Silver-Age Greats, hosted by Mark Evanier (of

course!) Besides just Mr. Adler, other noteworthy members on the

entertaining and informative panel were Tom Gill, Sid Jacobson, Gene Colan,

Frank Springer, Harry Harrison, and Frank Bolle. On Friday at the Comic

Con, there was a one-on-one panel, with just Mark Evanier and Jack Adler,

titled "Spotlight On Jack Adler", and many questions were answered for the

crowd of audience members, who were kept entertained by the charismatic and

respected living legend. It is amazing how many great names were hired on

or got their start in the industry by him! He also explained how he

invented the 3-D image technology popularly used in Viewmasters, but was

unable to get the deserved patent, as the film itself had been patented,

(but not in a similar 3D format, so he got burned, as viewmaster was able to

capitalize on his invention freely!) Plus, the method that made integrating

photo cover and line-drawn cover art easily into a single cover image was

also pioneered by this influential innovator. (The technology was supposed

to be kept a secret, but was leaked immediately by a DC exec!) Julius

Shwartz had told him "don't tell me about it, just do it", and when it

worked, it worked, and was immediately utilized, as the articulate and

charming Adler related. As an accomplished photographer, he created covers

using photographs he had taken of his own grandchildren, producing his own

copies of Shazam #2 and #6, which were displayed on an overhead projector to

the glee of many enthralled listeners! The picture of Captain Marvel,

sitting reading to the innocent youths, was actually of Jack Adler reading

to his grandkids. (These same grandkids were present at the panel, and

turned out to be pleasant, gracious, and kind adults!) Moreover, he highly

touted the art skills of good friends Neal Adams and Joe Kubert, (relating

entertaining stories, of course!) He helped Kubert set up his now legendary

School Of Comic Book Art. Once the school was set up, he was supposed to

head the school, but had to back out, as he couldn't bring himself to move

to New Jersey! You could write a book on the contributions Mr. Adler has

made to the medium many of us know and love! (An interesting side note is

that he is shock-jock Howard Stern's cousin!)

 

I spoke with Neal Adams quite a bit at the Con, and he was so excited about

Adler being there! Moreover, he had many complimentary things to say about

the long reclusive Jack Adler, including repeating that "he was the only

artist in the DC front office that was worth a $#!T"!, and that he would get

furious any time the DC exec's would permit anyone but Jack to work on one

of his covers, and even tore up a cover or two because Sol or Carmine had

allowed a "hack" to color his art; He insisted they only assign Jack Adler

himself to color his cover art! He enjoyed seeing some of these covers from

the "DC Archives", long treasured and preserved by Adler, including some of

the exact ones you requested, which he signed, which would sometimes remind

him of some pretty colorful and entertaining tales of their adventures back

in the day. Apparently, artistically Adams and Adler were often on the same

page, so to speak, and could collaborate effectively, as each could work off

of what the other had in mind; A skill which apparently eluded most of

Adler's contemporaries. Neal Adams got a real treat last month, getting to

be reunited with his old buddy Jack Adler, (who also spoke very highly of

the skills of Mr. Adams!)

 

Best Regards,

 

Robert Letscher II

KEY COMICS

1318 N Emerson

Mesa, AZ 85201

Phone/Fax:(480)890-0055

KeyComics@hotmail.com

Ebay ID: keycomics

Edited August 24, 2004 by Mushroom