malvin Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 to me, that phrase means nothing. It just means it was drawn on a marvel art board. I can draw my stick figures and say it's "Rendered in ink over graphite on Marvel Bristol board" Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, paul747 said: Hi, Can someone please explain if "Rendered in ink over graphite on Marvel Bristol board" is original art? or art on blue lines? I see this more and more and it seems like they can recreate any piece this way? I don't know much about it and truly want some info, they are selling like original cover art? thanks. Parsing the sentence yields the following: A Marvel board was used. A pencil drawing was placed on it (graphite) The drawing was inked (rendered in ink) Is it original art? Well, that sorta depends on your definition. In general, we use the term "original art" to mean: Published pages from a comic book (original comic [book] art) Commissioned pages from published comic artists (commissions) featuring comic book characters "Quick" sketches by published comic artists (sketches) featuring comic book characters Art of comic related characters by unpublished artists is more correctly referred to as "fan art" or "original fan art." Marvel boards are not rare and they can be manufactured so the presence or absence of a Marvel board doesn't mean much. So, is what you are seeing original art? I'd say yes because recreations are art. Are they "original comic [book] art" as defined above? Nope. They are (usually) commissioned recreations though some may be done on speculation by an artist. Does this help? Twanj, John E. and davidtere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, paul747 said: Hi, Can someone please explain if "Rendered in ink over graphite on Marvel Bristol board" is original art? or art on blue lines? I see this more and more and it seems like they can recreate any piece this way? I don't know much about it and truly want some info, they are selling like original cover art? thanks. It means nothing more than it says: inked over pencils on a board with a Marvel imprint. It would have to identify artists as penciller and/ or inker to know more about what it means. If it is published, it may indicate it, or be obvious from the condition or content. If not, email the seller and ask. Also, try making sure it isn’t fake. Edited January 1, 2021 by Rick2you2 Noob19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul747 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 16 hours ago, alxjhnsn said: Parsing the sentence yields the following: A Marvel board was used. A pencil drawing was placed on it (graphite) The drawing was inked (rendered in ink) Is it original art? Well, that sorta depends on your definition. In general, we use the term "original art" to mean: Published pages from a comic book (original comic [book] art) Commissioned pages from published comic artists (commissions) featuring comic book characters "Quick" sketches by published comic artists (sketches) featuring comic book characters Art of comic related characters by unpublished artists is more correctly referred to as "fan art" or "original fan art." Marvel boards are not rare and they can be manufactured so the presence or absence of a Marvel board doesn't mean much. So, is what you are seeing original art? I'd say yes because recreations are art. Are they "original comic [book] art" as defined above? Nope. They are (usually) commissioned recreations though some may be done on speculation by an artist. Does this help? What are Blue lines? In this instance the art has blue lines, it is being called original but looks like a computer print out of the art that the artist goes over and finishes? if it is called original "published art" what stops them from going over blue lines again on another piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, paul747 said: What are Blue lines? In this instance the art has blue lines, it is being called original but looks like a computer print out of the art that the artist goes over and finishes? if it is called original "published art" what stops them from going over blue lines again on another piece? It depends on what the blue lines are. Sometimes, the original is computer generated, and inking is over the computer generated blue lines (which don’t show up in print). Sometimes, there are original pencil drawings that are scanned in, and the inker inks those blue lines. For older pieces, however, there were pencillers who pencilled using blue pencils, and the inks are over genuine pencils. Basically, you should ask for details if you can’t otherwise find the answer. paul747, Noob19 and alxjhnsn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alxjhnsn Posted January 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, paul747 said: What are Blue lines? The term blue line means one of the following: Computer pencils printed out in cyan so that the inker can ink on a board. The "penciler" would draw on a tablet directly and no physical "pencils" would exist. Scanned pencils printed out in cyan so that the inker can ink on a board without the penciler sending a board through the mail which is expensive and risky. Pencils done in using a blue pencil on a board upon which the inker placed his ink. Few people would call the third definition a "blue line," but you might see "blue pencil" in a description. The first two definitions are much more common. Examples: I don't have an example where the pencils exist only as a computer image (definition 1). Sorry. This figure is an example of the second definition. Daniel HDR did the physical pencils. Those pencils were scanned and sent to Bob Wiacek. Bob printed them on a board in cyan and then applied his india ink on top of those pencils. If you click the image, you will see a bigger scan and you will be able to read more about them. You should note that Daniel actually inked the faces to ensure consistency of look. Also, look at Phantom Girl's waist in the second panel. Bob thought she needed to lose a little weight - Moral: Inker always wins. This figure shows the case where the artist draws in blue pencil on the board (definition 3, sadly the artist forgot to scan the pencils for the third page) Here are the inks on those same boards. If you click the images, you will see the final piece and learn more about it. 1 hour ago, paul747 said: In this instance the art has blue lines, it is being called original but looks like a computer print out of the art that the artist goes over and finishes? The inked page is what is printed. It is the original comic art for that page of the comic. If there are no physical pencils (definition 1 above) then this is the only original art for that page. 1 hour ago, paul747 said: if it is called original "published art" what stops them from going over blue lines again on another piece? Nothing. A couple of comments: There's a thread on the board about "monoprints," i.e., a unique, one-time printout of digital art. In that discussion, you will find that very question discussed. BTW, using the art term monoprint this way is incorrect. A true monoprint is unique and cannot be reproduced, e.g., if it's a lithograph, the stone would be broken after the single print. Clearly, a one-time print of electronic art can be recreated exactly. We need a different term. It would be very difficult to exactly match the first ink job on the pencils though you might have to be an expert to see the differences davidtere, Noob19, BCarter27 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Could someone please point me in the direction of the website to purchase David Finch original art? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Hal Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Essentialsequential.com represents him. Twanj and Rick2you2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brownies8701 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Few random questions: 1) Why do newer original art pages not have conversation bubbles? 2) What is everyone's thoughts on artists (popular or ones unheard of) doing tributes (mainly cover tributes). I have found many artists online (international ones, specifically) creating tributes to some pretty awesome covers, but not sure how I feel about it. They do look really nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, brownies8701 said: 1) Why do newer original art pages not have conversation bubbles? People suck and will always do less work for the same money, when the market lets them get away with it. 2 hours ago, brownies8701 said: 2) What is everyone's thoughts on artists (popular or ones unheard of) doing tributes (mainly cover tributes). Total garbage. I want originality in Art not tracings of somebody else's art (which may or may not have been Art to begin with even). brownies8701 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownies8701 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, vodou said: People suck and will always do less work for the same money, when the market lets them get away with it. Total garbage. I want originality in Art not tracings of somebody else's art (which may or may not have been Art to begin with even). Awesome, thanks for your input. I totally agree especially on your 2nd point - just doesn't seem authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webhead2018 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just cause they may homage this or that cover. Doesn't mean artist is going to trace original at that be it. they may do it all free hand and put there own flair on things or swap on or out characters or setting. Take a look on the 2020 sketch cover for the asm#129 homage cover I had Steven butler do totally change things up yet keeping flair of original cover with his changes and that was all free hand and then ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 5 hours ago, vodou said: I want originality in Art not tracings of somebody else's art (which may or may not have been Art to begin with even). Curiously enough, I’m wrestling with something like this. An inker on a cover did the original digitally. He is now offering to recreate his own original off the digital pencils (or sell me a monoprint). While I know how I feel about option no. 2, I’m debating the value of that recreation to me. I’m leaning against, but still undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 10:56 AM, brownies8701 said: Few random questions: 1) Why do newer original art pages not have conversation bubbles? It's because the lettering is now applied digitally which lowers costs and production time. It is disappointing. Some have been known to have the speech bubbles recreated and attached to an acetate overlay to restore them. Originally, the penciler did his thing and passed it to the letterer do to his thing who passed it to the inker to do his thing. Now, any piece or all of that process is done digitally. Boards with everything petered out in late-80s through the early 90s. It's a rare book with letters on the page today. Here's a history of lettering: Early Years: http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news-columns/history-of-comic-lettering-early-years-to-1940/ Middle Years: http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news-columns/history-of-comic-lettering-1940-to-1990/ Later Years: http://www.multiversitycomics.com/news-columns/history-of-comic-lettering-1990-to-present/ If you really enjoy the topic, check out Todd Klein's blog. It's fascinating especially the articles about Ira Schnapp, the world's greatest letterer and logo designer (IMHO). Enjoy! Twanj, brownies8701, cloud cloddie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 7 hours ago, alxjhnsn said: ...Ira Schnapp, the world's greatest letterer and logo designer (IMHO) I'm gonna argue that Gaspar Saladino is at least tied for first! BCarter27, MagnusX and davidtere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Gaspar was excellent and he learned from Ira. That said, opinions vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 and nice logo display! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webhead2018 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Hey all you Oa folks. I had a question I wonder if any one can help me out with. What's the best storage/display options for art pieces on vellum paper vs backboard, art boards, and other papers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Webhead2018 said: Hey all you Oa folks. I had a question I wonder if any one can help me out with. What's the best storage/display options for art pieces on vellum paper vs backboard, art boards, and other papers? Storage or display? For storage, most people like Mylar top loaders. People also store them in Itoya albums. For better protection and review, you can put them in top loaders, and then put the top loaders in Itoya’s (which is what I do with the better stuff)(the lesser material goes into Itoya’s). But, there are other approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...