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[divad]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

I believe the saying is "...one born every day"?

 

I dunno, it's a beautiful copy.

 

Only time will tell. Frankly, I'm shocked that the #5 is still available, considering what lesser copies have sold for over the last week.

[seanfingh]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

 

Wow.

 

He should almost feel guilty. Almost.

[Bosco685]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

[thedude]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

 

Wow.

 

He should almost feel guilty. Almost.

 

 

congrats divad, but I think you left some money on the table.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301194958073?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649

[isiTrue]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

 

Well, to each their own. I know that some collectors chase ads, prototypes, or any earliest mention of a character. That's fine.

 

What I was trying to point out is why Malibu Sun #13 could be considered an actual first appearance, as opposed to just an advertisement such as The Crow in Deadworld #10.

[Bosco685]

Got milk?

 

Got delivered yesterday.

 

 

 

[Shark]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

 

Wow.

 

He should almost feel guilty. Almost.

 

 

congrats divad, but I think you left some money on the table.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301194958073?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649

 

Wow...unbelievable.

[Jeffreykli]

Wow, and I was happy selling mine (Supes Adv. #4) at $10 and $16. I have another 3 at home that I have to dig out.

[Bosco685]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

 

Wow.

 

He should almost feel guilty. Almost.

 

 

congrats divad, but I think you left some money on the table.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301194958073?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649

 

Wow...unbelievable.

 

Is it really that shocking though? The only thing between a collector and their desire is the ability to pay for the final product. For some, that ability has a very high bar.

[juggernaut]

There is a general understanding, that there is a huge difference between a character's first appearance, and the first time the image of a character appears in print, right?

 

I mean, for 99.9% of us at least?

 

99.999999999% - All of us except MrWeen and the guy who just listed SA #4 on eBay for $99.

 

I mean... it's a bit ridiculous, right?

 

I am all for collector weirdness. If I want to collect all things Thanos, SURE I want to pick up that issue of Marvel Age, why not? I see no problem with simply pointing out weird/oddball stuff like that.

 

Just don't try to point to, a non story, "first time the image of a character sees print" and try to call it a "first appearance". Just pointing to the literal definition of the word "first", and the word "appearance", does not an argument make.

 

This hobby, which is built on people reading stories, is mostly interested in characters that appear, in stories. This is what a "first appearance" means, in comic collecting.

 

There is nothing wrong with collecting the first time the image of a character appears in print. Nothing at all. If it floats your boat, buy every Malibu Sun 13 that your heart desires. Just understand what you are talking about.

The first time the image of a character appears in print. NOT the first appearance of the character.

 

Though I would never use a Thanos appearance in Marvel Age as an example when discussing oddball collectibles I can assure you that I understand what I am talking about. Go take a look at the Overstreet definition or a litany of other definitions. I have yet to see one that lists the need to be part of the story as a first appearance requirement. In fact Overstreet defines a first appearance as: Same as debut. And they define debut as the first time a character appears anywhere. Yea you read that right...anywhere.

 

By the way it looks like the market has already spoken about Malibu 13, it regularly sells for significantly more than Spawn 1. For those who type the word market in response to my plea for historical accuracy then what say you concerning a book like Malibu 13? The point is you can't have it both ways.

 

Hey bud I collect weirdness too!

 

Let me be clear. You have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you go and try this in the Golden Age, Silver Age and Bronze Age thread and see how far you go. Trust me you won't go very far.

 

What part don't you understand that your view on first appearances is utter nonsense, No one has taken you seriously in months. To be honest, you are just wasting your time even posting on the boards. Take some time off, re-evaluate your stance on first appearances and come back when your views change or you are willing to listen.

 

People are entitled to their opinion. Whether you agree with them or not is entirely up to you. Everyone on here can voice how they feel or what they believe....

 

To insult people or try and people into an arguement is immature, unproductive and doesn't do anything except start flame wars.

 

 

 

I am not hear to start an argument or flame war. It is not a insult to MrWeen. MrWeen has been the butt of jokes for months now. Nothing new. MrWeen occassionally has some good insight but if MrWeen wants to be taken seriously that stance on first appearances has to change. MrWeen's views are just confusing the new collectors to the hobby.

 

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can't pick and choose which characters you want to highlight. If you want everyone to accept your definition of 1st appearances than you have to do it for all characters and every comic age. But understand that if you want your definition to become universally accepted than many comics would decrease in value as collectors would be looking for ashcans, previews, fanzines, adzines and other promotional material. Hypothetical example, why would I want X-Men #266 if Gambit 1st appears in Wizard Price Guide #55. Why would I want Batman Adventures #12 if Harley Quinn 1st appears in the 1993 New York Comic Con Program. That is a very dangerous precedent.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the overstreet advisors change the definition just so your view on 1st appearances does not spread especially to new collectors.

 

What the comic community is trying to tell you is if Livewire is shown in SA #4 then mention it but do not say it is a 1st appearance because it not. Simple.

 

Years ago on these boards I was doing the exact same thing that you are doing now but just not saying it's a 1st appearance.

 

[Bronty]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

 

well that's not apples and apples. As artwork, the first published crow art is very cool. But as a comic book, the first published crow image on a back cover is less impressive.

[isiTrue]

Got milk?

 

Got delivered yesterday.

 

 

 

 

 

Eh.

 

Nice artwork, but I can think of better ways to spend 4 grand. It's just not my cup of... milk?

[isiTrue]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

 

well that's not apples and apples. As artwork, the first published crow art is very cool. But as a comic book, the first published crow image on a back cover is less impressive.

 

He gets it!

[Bosco685]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

 

well that's not apples and apples. As artwork, the first published crow art is very cool. But as a comic book, the first published crow image on a back cover is less impressive.

 

It depends on what you appreciate and admire that helps determine what you want to collect.

 

Of course the 1st full appearance is Caliber Presents 1. But for a fan of the character, and this being a unique piece which is not a preview of the same artwork that is coming up, Crow fans love it and cherish it.

 

Now as far as that preview book for Spawn, is that really an appearance as well? Or is that more an apple you like to take a bite out of?

[Bosco685]

Eh.

 

Nice artwork, but I can think of better ways to spend 4 grand. It's just not my cup of... milk?

 

And that's okay. It doesn't have to float your boat if it isn't what you collect. I totally respect that.

 

But if you are going to bring it up as an example because you cherish other collectibles, expect someone that collects such work is going to speak to it.

 

[Bronty]

There's nothing wrong with collecting deadworld 10. Its a neat image. At the same time though I can understand why some might not choose to bother given that its an image as opposed to an appearance.

 

If I was into the Crow, I'd probably want one, but wouldn't pay too much for it. As original artwork though I'd be very into it - if I collected the Crow.

[Bosco685]

There's nothing wrong with collecting deadworld 10. Its a neat image. At the same time though I can understand why some might not choose to bother given that its an image as opposed to an appearance.

 

Agreed. There is no comic story inside the book with the character. The same goes for a book like Dime Press 4. The only difference is it is a front cover, yet no story inside.

 

Now is anyone going to take their Dime Press 4 and throw it in the $1 bin because they don't see it as an appearance? I doubt that.

[isiTrue]

Malibu Sun #13 has a few things going for it (in no order of importance):

 

1. The size closely resembles a comic book.

2. It has practically the same cover as Spawn #1, but the eyes are red (think "prototype design").

3. It says "SPAWN" on the front cover.

4. The back cover features Spawn.

5. It's much scarcer than the tons of Spawn #1's floating around.

 

All of these things combine to make that book desirable to own (I do not own one). Is it a first appearance? Not in story, but it's hard to ignore the same cover art...

 

It's pretty common that the cover art is released before the book. If we are using that as a judge for 1st appearance, I see why this conversation is still going on.

 

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of something similar to the Malibu Sun #13 - Spawn #1 comparison. But if you're just talking about cover art located on a page inside a book somewhere, then you've conveniently decided to ignore most of my post to try and prove a point. It doesn't work that way.

 

Here. Just an ad for The Crow. A different category than the preview/ small ad preview. Cult character, full back cover

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEADWORLD-10-VARIANT-THE-CROW-1st-Appearance-RARE-Pre-Caliber-Presents-1-NM-/161301247082?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item258e4db46a

 

I wouldn't consider that a first appearance since it doesn't have the same art, nor is it on the front cover. It's little more than a "got milk?" ad, in my opinion.

 

Ask the forumite that spent over $4,000 for that cover because amongst hardcore Crow fans they appreciate this more than you may realize.

 

- It is not a preview of any upcoming artwork

- It is a full-page painting versus a tiny mention in a preview magazine

- It never shows up in the series

 

There are quite a few Crownuts that would love to be Comix4fun and own that piece.

 

well that's not apples and apples. As artwork, the first published crow art is very cool. But as a comic book, the first published crow image on a back cover is less impressive.

 

It depends on what you appreciate and admire that helps determine what you want to collect.

 

Of course the 1st full appearance is Caliber Presents 1. But for a fan of the character, and this being a unique piece which is not a preview of the same artwork that is coming up, Crow fans love it and cherish it.

Now as far as that preview book for Spawn, is that really an appearance as well? Or is that more an apple you like to take a bite out of?

 

We've passed the line of "splitting hairs territory" some time back. But I consider MS13 more than just an advertisement, yet less than a storyline appearance/cameo. I think there's enough material to make it a first appearance prior to Spawn #1, but it really comes down to each individual's preferences.

 

[divad]

these jokes you speak of must be told in the super secret forums because i havent read them. most people toss insults or spew anger when the don't have a counter argument. look, my view may be in the minority but it doesn't mean it's wrong. my desire if for universally accepted definition which i understand will never happen. not all comics preview a character at the end of a comic so if im collecting livewire i would want to own that comic, especially in the case as the art differs from the cover to issue 5. sounds like im helping collectors here not confusing them. dont let the amount of posts i have trick you, ive been collecting comics for close to 30 years. im not always right but i dont have an agenda either. i dont own any copies of sup adv 4 or 5

 

You can own one now . . .

 

Oh, and btw, it's the same art.

 

SOLD!

 

 

Wow.

 

He should almost feel guilty. Almost.

 

 

congrats divad, but I think you left some money on the table.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/301194958073?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649

 

I always seem to leave money on the table . . . and mine's a nicer copy too!

[Bosco685]

We've passed the line of "splitting hairs territory" some time back. But I consider MS13 more than just an advertisement, yet less than a storyline appearance/cameo. I think there's enough material to make it a first appearance prior to Spawn #1, but it really comes down to each individual's preferences.

 

BINGO!