Answer from CGC.........

[COI]

Wow. It's a little surreal reading posts I made almost 5 years ago on this topic, especially considering how my stance has changed.

[DiceX]

Now THIS was a pressing thread!

Those lame nut threads that Spideytits keeps trying to start don't hold a candle to this.

 

 

[THE_BEYONDER]

Love the Ewert email that was posted.....

 

Hi,

 

thanks for your email. First of all before I even begin to dignify this email with a response, it would be helpful if you tell me your name, the books you purchased from me, and the date you purchased these books. Upon hearing this information, I would like to know whose professional expertise you used to judge if the books you purchased from me were professionally pressed. Third, I would like to know what would cause you to crack the books out of the slabs after they were certified and encapsulated by the CGC. Fourth, I would like to know if the books you purchased from me had a blue universal unrestored label. Fifth I would like to know how your expert determined that professional pressing had occurred, when the books passed through the detection team at CGC who determined the books were free from restoration ( which would include any detectable professional pressing). Upon hearing this information, I will be able to judge if you are truthful or you are full of $%&*!. If you forward the information to me and it is credible, I will be able to tell if the books you purchased were purchased by me raw and encapsulated, were on consignment with me (thus were encapsulated by the owner), or were purchased slabbed (thus were encapsulated by the prior owner(s)).

 

My policy has always mirrored the rules of CGC. CGC from what I have been told does not consider undetectable professional pressing of comic books as restoration. If it can be detected, CGC will flag the book as having been unprofessionally pressed and therefore place a purple restored label on the slab of the book with the restoration notes listed on the label. Because undetectable professional pressing of comic books is not considered restoration by the CGC, it is possible that any or all of the slabbed books you have purchased from anywhere and anyone could have or may have undetectable professional pressing done to them. The key word is UNDETECTABLE, because if it was detectable, it never would have made it into a slab with a blue universal unrestored label. It would have been flagged by the CGC and included a purple restored label. If I know in fact that any book I sell has without a doubt been professionally pressed, I have no problem disclosing that information to any potential buyer. My advice to any potential buyer is to CALL THE EXPERTS AT CGC WHO IS GRADING THE BOOK AND GET ANY OR ALL NOTES TO DETERMINE IF ANYTHING WAS DONE TO THE BOOK PRIOR TO ENCAPSULATION. DON'T CALL OR ASK ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T GRADE THE BOOK. IF THERE IS ANYTHING I KNOW ABOUT THE BOOK OTHER THAN WHAT WAS DETERMINED TO EXIST OR NOT EXIST BY CGC, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DISCUSSING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY POTENTIAL BUYER.

 

Because CGC does not consider professional UNDETECTABLE pressing of comic books as restoration, I have a standing offer of a $100,000.00 year salary to anyone who could successfully press a comic book into a higher grade which would allow it to pass through the hands of the CGC 100% of the time without the pressing being detected by the CGC. I have yet to find someone who can do this. Because I have yet to find a person who can do this, I refrain from professionally pressing any comic books. My fears are too great that any pressing done would be detected by CGC, be downgraded by the CGC because the pressing would be deemed unprofessional, or would potentially damage the book. All three of these possibilities would cause me to lose loads of money. As far as me personally professional pressing comic books in order to get a higher grade and pass through the hands of the CGC undetected, I only wish I could say yes because I would be an extremely rich man. Sadly I can't. I am stuck with buying books I feel are high grade and sending them to CGC to be encapsulated as is. If others can do it and it has been deemed allowable by the CGC, I say all the power to them.

 

In summary, if you are a new collector, I would recommend sitting down with the professionals at CGC who can give you more information about what the rules are for grading and submission of comic books through their company. Being a real estate attorney, I know you can appreciate trying to do as much research and homework on the subject as possible before ever spending one dollar on a CGC book. If what you hear is contrary to what your collecting beliefs are, I would recommend stop buying CGC books as the source of the book and how it became to be slabbed cannot be traced.

 

There is no returns allowed on any CGC graded books, as these books are professionally graded.

 

thanks,

 

Jason Ewert

 

[nik]

That thread should be a where are they now thread

[DiceX]

That thread should be a where are they now thread

 

I didn't get to finish it. I'll read it all tonight to get my memory working again.

 

 

[JazzMan]

The best quote ever:

 

*** You are ignoring this user ***

 

eat a d ick troll!

 

[THE_BEYONDER]

I am sure you will have many questions after this has been posted and I will try to answer some of the ones I can over the weekend.

 

Steve - can you comment on the additional rumor that has been circulating that CGC has already been performing pressing for select clients and/or books that may have been damaged either while at CGC or damaged in the slab after being sent back to the submitter? Also, would CGC allow their employees to offer restoration services "after work hours" (moonlighting)?

 

I appreciate that you posted here addressing this topic, but my questions above remain unanswered and I consider them particularily disturbing.

 

Thanks!

 

 

[COI]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

[seanfingh]

I am sure you will have many questions after this has been posted and I will try to answer some of the ones I can over the weekend.

 

Steve - can you comment on the additional rumor that has been circulating that CGC has already been performing pressing for select clients and/or books that may have been damaged either while at CGC or damaged in the slab after being sent back to the submitter? Also, would CGC allow their employees to offer restoration services "after work hours" (moonlighting)?

 

I appreciate that you posted here addressing this topic, but my questions above remain unanswered and I consider them particularily disturbing.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

You're going to get bursitis from all the estirring you are doing.

[seanfingh]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

It takes a big man to look back at his words saved for posterity and realize that he was wrong.

 

 

 

But damn Sam, you were one daft sonnavaperson_without_enough_empathy.

[JazzMan]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

 

[COI]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

It takes a big man to look back at his words saved for posterity and realize that he was wrong.

 

 

 

But damn Sam, you were one daft sonnavaperson_without_enough_empathy.

 

It was a different time. Also, I was unaware that I had contracted tertiary syphilis at the time, so I was unintentionally "off my meds".

[Dick Pontoon]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

Russians...

[seanfingh]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

It takes a big man to look back at his words saved for posterity and realize that he was wrong.

 

 

 

But damn Sam, you were one daft sonnavaperson_without_enough_empathy.

 

It was a different time. Also, I was unaware that I had contracted tertiary syphilis at the time, so I was unintentionally "off my meds".

 

For you to have been in tertiary syphilis back in '04 you would have had to contract it it when you were about five. FAIL. I don't care how much game you have, no way a five year old is going to talk a syphillitic hooker into a birthday money half and half.

[COI]

I never said that this whole issue dosen't concern me, but I'm not yet at the point where I think the sky is falling. I understand you have books that have reverted back, but I have no clue how wide-spread this problem is, nor do I have any idea how many(if any) of my books have even been pressed in the first place.

 

My above post was in response to MK's cookie-cutter description of CGC buyers. As for the rest of this issue, I'll say it again: I don't have enough data to make any conclusive decisions, so until I get the full scoop I will not be altering my collecting habits. We still don't know how common pressing is, nor do we know the likelyhood that books that are already pressed will revert, so I'm not quite ready to liquidate my slabs. If half my collection suddenly started exhibiting defects that were not there, or if fellow collectors started complaining in droves(with proof) that their books were reverting and that this is a huge problem, I would stop buying CGC graded books. Until then, I'm not going to make any drastic changes. If that means I get burned, so be it, but I will not react without proof and I will not quit collecting out of fear.

 

You're so purdy. Have a cookie.

[COI]

I don't care how much game you have, no way a five year old is going to talk a syphillitic hooker into a birthday money half and half.

 

Syphillitic hooker, no. My kindergarten teacher on the other hand...

[seanfingh]

I don't care how much game you have, no way a five year old is going to talk a syphillitic hooker into a birthday money half and half.

 

Syphillitic hooker, no. My kindergarten teacher on the other hand...

 

That dirty birdie . . .

[supapimp]

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

02 for me and it was a fun roll in the hay.

[buttock]

This topic is REAL important, keep your personal little arguing somewhere else please? This news from Steve sounds really bad to me. I am very disappointed as well.

 

Don't worry, if this thread gets derailed there will be a thousand more just like it.

 

A visionary statement.

[DiceX]

The census numbers will jump up and up, and prices will go ker-plunk. It looks to me like the biggest boom of '04 will also be the biggest bust of '05. How quickly the mighty hath fallen...

 

 

I keep seeing this same argument, and I don't follow. How many possible raw 9.2 to 9.6 pressing candidates can there possibly be? And if books are being re-submitted, which is already happening, the census will artificially swell. So what? I'm still baffled at how much weight buyers put into the census when deciding what to buy. The artificial swelling of re-subs does not affect the amount of books on the market that are actually available.

 

IMO, the most affected books will be the top graded 9.6/9.8 Silver and bronze, because I feel it is much more likely that a 9.6 can be pressed into a 9.8. But a 9.0/9.2 to a 9.6 seems a little far fetched to me.

 

Oh COI, you beautiful dumass.

 

I'm speaking to you from the future. Buy as many Avengers 1s, 57s, and AF 15s as you can possibly afford. Go get a line of credit, if need be, just DO IT.

 

Also, when you meet a girl named Elena, for the love of god WALK AWAY.

 

It takes a big man to look back at his words saved for posterity and realize that he was wrong.

 

 

 

But damn Sam, you were one daft sonnavaperson_without_enough_empathy.

 

It was a different time. Also, I was unaware that I had contracted tertiary syphilis at the time, so I was unintentionally "off my meds".

 

I didn't know you could catch that from calling 900 numbers.