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what a joke these registry awards are

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

You take quite a few stabs in the dark. lol

 

I would be completely on board with making SS=universal points

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

You take quite a few stabs in the dark. lol

 

I would be completely on board with making SS=universal points

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I do NOT think that SS should be equal in points to universals. That's not the argument I'm making. I just try to equate points given in the Registry as the value of a book.

 

A regular, universal Blue Label book is what it is. It gets points for the grade. Whether it's 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, etc.

 

However, there are books that ARE more valuable for one reason or another and they deserve additional points. That includes SS, Pedigree, Double Cover, Price Variants, etc. etc. The Registry should be a reflection of a books value if CGC wants people to take it seriously. So when you see a book that is all SS or all Pedigree or all Double Cover or whatever - that stands out than a set that is all Blue Label 9.8 - which in turn stands out from a set that is all 9.6 and down the line.

 

Points SHOULD equal value of a book or as close as you can get to the value of a book.

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

You take quite a few stabs in the dark. lol

 

I would be completely on board with making SS=universal points

;)

 

I do NOT think that SS should be equal in points to universals. That's not the argument I'm making. I just try to equate points given in the Registry as the value of a book.

 

A regular, universal Blue Label book is what it is. It gets points for the grade. Whether it's 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, etc.

 

However, there are books that ARE more valuable for one reason or another and they deserve additional points. That includes SS, Pedigree, Double Cover, Price Variants, etc. etc. The Registry should be a reflection of a books value if CGC wants people to take it seriously. So when you see a book that is all SS or all Pedigree or all Double Cover or whatever - that stands out than a set that is all Blue Label 9.8 - which in turn stands out from a set that is all 9.6 and down the line.

 

Points SHOULD equal value of a book or as close as you can get to the value of a book.

 

I couldn't disagree more. Equating points to value is a fools errand. People already take it quite seriously without this. The more that play the better competition we have. Making everything equal within grade allows for individual collector preferences. As usual this always turns into " what I collect is better than what you collect"

 

 

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

 

We can agree there are a multitude of SS options though.

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

You take quite a few stabs in the dark. lol

 

I would be completely on board with making SS=universal points

;)

 

I do NOT think that SS should be equal in points to universals. That's not the argument I'm making. I just try to equate points given in the Registry as the value of a book.

 

A regular, universal Blue Label book is what it is. It gets points for the grade. Whether it's 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, etc.

 

However, there are books that ARE more valuable for one reason or another and they deserve additional points. That includes SS, Pedigree, Double Cover, Price Variants, etc. etc. The Registry should be a reflection of a books value if CGC wants people to take it seriously. So when you see a book that is all SS or all Pedigree or all Double Cover or whatever - that stands out than a set that is all Blue Label 9.8 - which in turn stands out from a set that is all 9.6 and down the line.

 

Points SHOULD equal value of a book or as close as you can get to the value of a book.

 

I couldn't disagree more. Equating points to value is a fools errand. People already take it quite seriously without this. The more that play the better competition we have. Making everything equal within grade allows for individual collector preferences. As usual this always turns into " what I collect is better than what you collect"

 

 

Then why do people pay a premium for SS or Pedigree or Double cover or other unique books over a Universal Blue Label? Your arguments are just statements and not really arguments. lol

 

"What I collect is better than what you collect". :eyeroll:

 

Um, no. I appreciate every single person's collection. It means something to them and they love it so :applause: . But the Registry IS a competition. Plain and simple. Otherwise, why the heck would they award points to begin with. They'd just have slots and a checklist to list the books like a Checklist for baseball cards. Your position is the equivalent of "everyone gets a trophy :acclaim: " mentality!

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

You take quite a few stabs in the dark. lol

 

I would be completely on board with making SS=universal points

;)

 

I do NOT think that SS should be equal in points to universals. That's not the argument I'm making. I just try to equate points given in the Registry as the value of a book.

 

A regular, universal Blue Label book is what it is. It gets points for the grade. Whether it's 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, etc.

 

However, there are books that ARE more valuable for one reason or another and they deserve additional points. That includes SS, Pedigree, Double Cover, Price Variants, etc. etc. The Registry should be a reflection of a books value if CGC wants people to take it seriously. So when you see a book that is all SS or all Pedigree or all Double Cover or whatever - that stands out than a set that is all Blue Label 9.8 - which in turn stands out from a set that is all 9.6 and down the line.

 

Points SHOULD equal value of a book or as close as you can get to the value of a book.

 

I couldn't disagree more. Equating points to value is a fools errand. People already take it quite seriously without this. The more that play the better competition we have. Making everything equal within grade allows for individual collector preferences. As usual this always turns into " what I collect is better than what you collect"

 

 

Then why do people pay a premium for SS or Pedigree or Double cover or other unique books over a Universal Blue Label? Your arguments are just statements and not really arguments. lol

 

"What I collect is better than what you collect". :eyeroll:

 

Um, no. I appreciate every single person's collection. It means something to them and they love it so :applause: . But the Registry IS a competition. Plain and simple. Otherwise, why the heck would they award points to begin with. They'd just have slots and a checklist to list the books like a Checklist for baseball cards. Your position is the equivalent of "everyone gets a trophy :acclaim: " mentality!

 

You have a habit of missing the point. We are talking registry points right?

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Pedigree points. A little arbitrary isn't it?

 

I don't think it's arbitrary at all.

 

It's my understanding that CGC designates pedigree status for the overall superior quality of the books, not just provenance. And a lot of collectors pay a premium for them, not just GA but SA as well.

 

I know the reasoning CGC shot down the idea initially was because some pedigrees are seen as better than others, but the same could be said about sig series books--because a Stan Lee sig is pretty easy to obtain versus a Frank Miller, to say nothing of the creators who've passed away.

 

The point bump for all sigs seems to be okay with most, so a point bump for all peds seems salient. 2c

 

 

Sorry but no. If the quality is superior it should show in the grade and that ends the debate. There are very few comparisons between the availability of SS vs Pedigree. It would kill the registry competition.

 

This is a weird false-narrative and an argument that is absolutely blown out of the water by the fact that slabbed-books in general have differentiated the market and competition has only exploded since then. :makepoint:

 

You simply lost sight of the original debate. No worries. :)

 

Jeff...can't you defend at least one of your points? Nope. That's what I figured.

 

Here's a nice look at differences between SA peds and non-peds and why people pay more for them.

 

If you're not into peds, that's cool. But that doesn't mean your disinterest over-rules the interests of others and their worthiness in the registry.

 

Got better things to do kids. Have fun. :headbang:

 

 

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

 

I was thinking there was a case where a collector drew their own art on a blank cover and got it slabbed as "signed and sketched by ...." but that may be an unconfirmed anecdote (AKA lies and propaganda). I can't find anything more about it now. I did find a Spawn 221 signed by Stan Lee, which I found odd at best.

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Pedigree points. A little arbitrary isn't it?

 

I don't think it's arbitrary at all.

 

It's my understanding that CGC designates pedigree status for the overall superior quality of the books, not just provenance. And a lot of collectors pay a premium for them, not just GA but SA as well.

 

I know the reasoning CGC shot down the idea initially was because some pedigrees are seen as better than others, but the same could be said about sig series books--because a Stan Lee sig is pretty easy to obtain versus a Frank Miller, to say nothing of the creators who've passed away.

 

The point bump for all sigs seems to be okay with most, so a point bump for all peds seems salient. 2c

 

 

Sorry but no. If the quality is superior it should show in the grade and that ends the debate. There are very few comparisons between the availability of SS vs Pedigree. It would kill the registry competition.

 

This is a weird false-narrative and an argument that is absolutely blown out of the water by the fact that slabbed-books in general have differentiated the market and competition has only exploded since then. :makepoint:

 

You simply lost sight of the original debate. No worries. :)

 

Jeff...can't you defend at least one of your points? Nope. That's what I figured.

 

Here's a nice look at differences between SA peds and non-peds and why people pay more for them.

 

If you're not into peds, that's cool. But that doesn't mean your disinterest over-rules the interests of others and their worthiness in the registry.

 

Got better things to do kids. Have fun. :headbang:

 

 

We're talking registry points. Are you just assuming they are equivalent to value? I dismissed your post because you keep debating value.

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

 

I was thinking there was a case where a collector drew their own art on a blank cover and got it slabbed as "signed and sketched by ...." but that may be an unconfirmed anecdote (AKA lies and propaganda). I can't find anything more about it now. I did find a Spawn 221 signed by Stan Lee, which I found odd at best.

 

I might leave Heroes with my name on 3 SS labels...maybe. ;)

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So... what ARE Registry points based on Jeff?

 

What should they be based on?

 

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The size of your wallet.

 

So... what you're saying is that you agree and Pedigrees or Double Covers SHOULD be given more points. :applause:

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I think every book should be given more points.

 

In fact, let's give collectors based outside the US more points because it is harder for them to acquire books because no one wants to ship internationally.

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

 

I was thinking there was a case where a collector drew their own art on a blank cover and got it slabbed as "signed and sketched by ...." but that may be an unconfirmed anecdote (AKA lies and propaganda). I can't find anything more about it now. I did find a Spawn 221 signed by Stan Lee, which I found odd at best.

 

Sure - technically that wouldn't be different than any other comic book artist doing a sketch on a blank cover. CGC isn't in the business of judging people's artistic skills and won't ask to see the artist alley membership card :)

 

But ... there's a huge difference between that and allowing the aforementioned collector to sign, say, a Saga #1 and getting a SS label that way - CGC wouldn't allow that and would green label the book instead.

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The point is that people who enjoy collecting SS books don't WANT other "unique" books to gain points. AND CGC uses the Registry as a marketing tool and any potential concerns regarding a loss in profit on SS books nullifies any chance of change in point distribution.

 

Case in point: back in 2005 I decided it would be cool to get the entire run of Miracleman slabbed. I have 20 of 25, they range from 9.0 to 9.8, but most are 9.6. I have the rare and glorious 15 in 9.4. This effort has resulted in me being the 17th best set with 1070 points. Despite being 80% complete, I trail the leader by 1904. The current leader is 100% 9.8 Sig Series. I have several "Eclipse Archive Editions" which are given the same points values as regular issues. I know that it is not feasible for me to compete in this set at this point, so I no longer try.

 

That's how applying points for Signature Series can kill the competition.

 

Also, bear in mind that my mother can sign a book and make it Signature Series, as long as an official CGC witness verifies her identity and escorts me to the CGC table. The registry doesn't apply points based on who signed it. A Star Wars comic can be signed by George Lucas, Jim Shooter, Stan Lee, Carrie Fisher, or Calamerica and it's still worth 110% of the blue label points. :o

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Stan Lee gets a pass and is basically allowed to sign anything he wants, but CGC won't give a SS label to a comic book signed by, for instance, your mother (unless she's actually a comic book professional). No offense to your mom :thumbsup:

 

I was thinking there was a case where a collector drew their own art on a blank cover and got it slabbed as "signed and sketched by ...." but that may be an unconfirmed anecdote (AKA lies and propaganda). I can't find anything more about it now. I did find a Spawn 221 signed by Stan Lee, which I found odd at best.

 

I might leave Heroes with my name on 3 SS labels...maybe. ;)

 

You were drawn into a book as a character, right?

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