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APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED - Thread has de-railed!!

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universal soldier

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

Transplant didn't post an actual "take it" in the PM. However, Dan responded to an offer with his terms and Transplant responded ok before the "take it" in the thread was posted.

 

Time stamps don't lie, I'm not sure why the rule can't simply be whoever takes it first, by time stamp in PM or in the thread, wins it.

 

People should have the right to not make their purchases public yet still have their deals honored.

 

That "should" be the rule.

 

In "this" case the seller stated first I'll take it in thread trumps "ALL PM's". If the first buyer didn't like those terms he could have passed on the book.

 

-J.

 

Fixed that for ya. (thumbs u

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

Transplant didn't post an actual "take it" in the PM. However, Dan responded to an offer with his terms and Transplant responded ok before the "take it" in the thread was posted.

 

Time stamps don't lie, I'm not sure why the rule can't simply be whoever takes it first, by time stamp in PM or in the thread, wins it.

 

People should have the right to not make their purchases public yet still have their deals honored.

 

That "should" be the rule.

 

In "this" case the seller stated first I'll take it in thread trumps "ALL PM's". If the first buyer didn't like those terms he could have passed on the book.

 

-J.

 

Fixed that for ya. (thumbs u

 

lol but it wasn't. Dan's intentions for writing the listing the way he did were crystal clear. His price was firm and he was not inclined to want to haggle. That's his right. Again, the first buyer did not need to participate in the listing if he did not like the listing terms. Where is the accountability for the first buyer here? He didn't adhere to the listing and got "trumped". Dan's listing allowed for that. It happens. We feel for the buyer who lost out but it happens.

 

-J.

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Just to play devil's advocate. Why did the PM buyer bother to post I'll take it in the thread if he thought it was a done deal already?

 

 

 

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Finally!

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

 

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Just to play devil's advocate. Why did the PM buyer bother to post I'll take it in the thread if he thought it was a done deal already?

 

 

 

^^

 

Finally!

 

Either was too busy to post it immediately (something like boarding a plane) and posted without even updating the thread, or (more likely) he did see the post in the PM and was letting that poster know "sorry I already took it".

 

Either way, I guarantee he thought a deal was deal. Like most of us do.

 

 

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

Good point.
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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

 

What if? That's not what happened. There are infinite variables for what "could" happen. In this case and under these circumstances the proper buyer got the book. Dan had a firm price in mind, one buyer chose to haggle, one didn't and his I'll take it in the thread "trumped" what happened in ALL PM's. All prospective buyers were fairly warned that could happen. Dan did nothing wrong here.

 

-J.

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Just to play devil's advocate. Why did the PM buyer bother to post I'll take it in the thread if he thought it was a done deal already?

 

 

 

^^

 

Finally!

 

Either was too busy to post it immediately (something like boarding a plane) and posted without even updating the thread, or (more likely) he did see the post in the PM and was letting that poster know "sorry I already took it".

 

Either way, I guarantee he thought a deal was deal. Like most of us do.

 

 

So....He had time to do all the back and forth PM ing but couldn't take another two seconds to post the I'll take it in the thread? But he found the time a few minutes after roulette did? Come on. The first prospective buyer needs to have some accountability for not adhering to the explicit terms of the listing. He unfortunately realized a bit too late his oversight.

 

-J.

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Just to play devil's advocate. Why did the PM buyer bother to post I'll take it in the thread if he thought it was a done deal already?

 

 

 

^^

 

Finally!

 

Why would a seller accept a deal but have a rule in place that could cause that deal to be void if the thread wasn't literally INSTANTLY updated by either party in the PM? I've already asked...what good reason is there for that?

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Lately people have been going off about boardies using the term "usual or regular" rules in their sales thread and not knowing the vague nature of what they are. Here is a sales thread that was very explicit as to the rules, and what happens the seller gets ripped to shreds.

 

Read the first post of the sales thread you are about to buy in. You never know what crazy thing the seller might have in there...

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

 

What if? That's not what happened. There are infinite variables for what "could" happen. In this case and under these circumstances the proper buyer got the book. Dan had a firm price in mind, one buyer chose to haggle, one didn't and his I'll take it in the thread "trumped" what happened in ALL PM's. All prospective buyers were fairly warned that could happen. Dan did nothing wrong here.

 

-J.

 

Since you're so staunchly black and white you shouldn't categorize Mike's PM conversation as haggling since a) you have no knowledge of what they actually said and b) the dollar difference was $40 or $50 dollars on a several thousand dollar book. Sometimes people want a back cover scan or method of shipment or pay by check or any of the other thousand reasons to conduct business privately.

 

Ultimately, having everyone on the forum witness this debacle is probably not worth having that rule in your thread.

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

 

What if? That's not what happened. There are infinite variables for what "could" happen. In this case and under these circumstances the proper buyer got the book. Dan had a firm price in mind, one buyer chose to haggle, one didn't and his I'll take it in the thread "trumped" what happened in ALL PM's. All prospective buyers were fairly warned that could happen. Dan did nothing wrong here.

 

-J.

 

lol WOW... if that's the real deal then shut'er down and close this "basement-dweller" parade. It's common sense from that. Again, I love First World Problems!!

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Just to play devil's advocate. Why did the PM buyer bother to post I'll take it in the thread if he thought it was a done deal already?

 

 

 

^^

 

Finally!

 

Either was too busy to post it immediately (something like boarding a plane) and posted without even updating the thread, or (more likely) he did see the post in the PM and was letting that poster know "sorry I already took it".

 

Either way, I guarantee he thought a deal was deal. Like most of us do.

 

 

So....He had time to do all the back and forth PM ing but couldn't take another two seconds to post the I'll take it in the thread? But he found the time a few minutes after roulette did? Come on. The first prospective buyer needs to have some accountability for not adhering to the explicit terms of the listing. He unfortunately realized a bit too late his oversight.

 

-J.

. This could have played out in three seconds. Second One: Dan agrees to deal. Second two: roulette post I'll take it. Second three: Transplant post in thread(which would have been pretty damn fast.

 

Still Tranny's fault? I guess so because it's a stupid rule.

 

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Jaydogrules

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Since this abomination is still going on here's a simple question:

 

Who posted the :takeit: first, Mike in PM or the buyer in the thread?

 

If the buyer in the thread posted first by time stamp then it's his book. If Mike posted first in PM it should be his book.

 

I'm not sure what I'm missing. (shrug)

 

I don't know either Seems pretty cut-and-dry. Timestamp "wins".

 

What was cut and dry were the listing rules that said "First I'll take it in thread trumps ALL PM's". There is nothing vague about that.

 

-J.

 

The spirit of the rule was not meant for this circumstance and was boiler plate.

 

What if Mike had paid and I posted the :takeit: in the thread before the thread was updated, would I have the ability to argue that the seller should be forced to sell me the book because I posted in the thread and the other business was conducted by PM?

 

 

 

 

What if? That's not what happened. There are infinite variables for what "could" happen. In this case and under these circumstances the proper buyer got the book. Dan had a firm price in mind, one buyer chose to haggle, one didn't and his I'll take it in the thread "trumped" what happened in ALL PM's. All prospective buyers were fairly warned that could happen. Dan did nothing wrong here.

 

-J.

 

Since you're so staunchly black and white you shouldn't categorize Mike's PM conversation as haggling since a) you have no knowledge of what they actually said and b) the dollar difference was $40 or $50 dollars on a several thousand dollar book. Sometimes people want a back cover scan or method of shipment or pay by check or any of the other thousand reasons to conduct business privately.

 

Ultimately, having everyone on the forum witness this debacle is probably not worth having that rule in your thread.

 

I see your point I really do. But again the subject of the PMs were rendered moot when roulette threw up the I'll take it in the thread. Dan's listing said that could happen so every prospective buyer went into it on a level playing field.

 

-J.

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