FF 67 or Thor 165?

[AGGIEZ]

Pricing reflects scarcity in high grade, not the level of 'keyness':

 

FF67: 26 copies 9.6 or better

 

Thor165: 13 copies 9.6 or better

 

MPremiere1: 41 copies 9.6 or better

 

 

How do you explain the price difference for the slabs lower than 9.6 then?

[Illustrious]

Pricing reflects scarcity in high grade, not the level of 'keyness':

 

FF67: 26 copies 9.6 or better

 

Thor165: 13 copies 9.6 or better

 

MPremiere1: 41 copies 9.6 or better

 

 

How do you explain the price difference for the slabs lower than 9.6 then?

 

[namisgr]

Pricing reflects scarcity in high grade, not the level of 'keyness':

 

FF67: 26 copies 9.6 or better

 

Thor165: 13 copies 9.6 or better

 

MPremiere1: 41 copies 9.6 or better

 

 

How do you explain the price difference for the slabs lower than 9.6 then?

 

 

What price differences that can't be accounted for by scarcity? Last GPA sales:

 

FF67

$150 in 6.5

$234 in 8.0

 

Thor165

$30 in 6.5

$326 in 8.0

 

MP1 is cheaper than both, yet is arguably the greater of the 3 keys.

[AGGIEZ]

These price differences…

 

You're data is bad. That CGC 6.5 Thor 165 was sold LAST JUNE 2013…not exactly current data my friend. A CGC 4.5 sold for $64 in August.

 

 

I think we'll begin to see the census numbers on Thor 165 catching up to FF67 over the next year. This is what it looks like now…lower census numbers, higher market prices.

 

 

CGC 9.4

 

FF # 67 = $800 (50)

Thor # 165 = $1,100 (29)

Marvel Premiere # 1 = $400 (65)

 

CGC 9.0

 

FF # 67 = $330 (63)

Thor # 165 = $415 (41)

Marvel Premiere # 1 = $160 (48)

 

CGC 8.0

 

FF # 67 = $225 (64)

Thor # 165 = $320 (29)

Marvel Premiere # 1 = $150? (26)

[kav]

Current ebay sales seem to shut 165 trending upwards faster

[SquareChaos]

MP1 is cheaper than both, yet is arguably the first appearance of Warlock and the greater of the 3 keys.

 

The argument that never dies.

 

My vote is that the the Nightwing treatment makes the most sense - "HIM becomes Adam Warlock" and then no "1st appearance of Adam Warlock." Many people seem resistant to this, but it seems like the obvious and best route to go based on precedent.

[namisgr]

These price differences…

 

I think we'll begin to see the census numbers on Thor 165 catching up to FF67 over the next year. This is what it looks like now…lower census numbers, higher market prices.

 

Agreed, and that was my point, that the difference in scarcity between the three comics accounted for their price differentials, and not any market perception of greater importance to the Marvel Universe (what I called 'keyness').

[SquareChaos]

These price differences…

 

I think we'll begin to see the census numbers on Thor 165 catching up to FF67 over the next year. This is what it looks like now…lower census numbers, higher market prices.

 

Agreed, and that was my point, that the difference in scarcity between the three comics accounted for their price differentials, and not any market perception of greater importance to the Marvel Universe (what I called 'keyness').

 

I also agree. And, I don't know how others that have read the Thor books feel... but the story arc is pretty freaking terrible while, in my opinion, the FF arc is really a solid little story that still works today.

 

The 165 cover is awesome though and may be the "nothing else matters" factor.

[kav]

I love those Thor stories

[SquareChaos]

I love those Thor stories

 

I understand it is subjective! I also mean no offense, I'm just wondering how others feel about it.

 

Also, being more specific... I love the art , that is the nicest thing I can say about them.

[kav]

The really valuable book is the SA Thor #67

[AGGIEZ]

These price differences…

 

I think we'll begin to see the census numbers on Thor 165 catching up to FF67 over the next year. This is what it looks like now…lower census numbers, higher market prices.

 

Agreed, and that was my point, that the difference in scarcity between the three comics accounted for their price differentials, and not any market perception of greater importance to the Marvel Universe (what I called 'keyness').

 

It's easy to paint it with a broad brush and chalk up all of the price differential to the difference in census numbers….I don't thinks that's valid though. Put the census numbers aside and let's look at the number of CGC 9.4s that have come to market (per GPA) in 2014:

 

4 copies of FF #67 for a 90day average of $823.

3 copies of THOR #165 for an average of ~$1,000.

 

 

CGC 9.0

 

5 copies of FF #67 for an average of ~$310.

6 copies of THOR #165 for an average of ~$440.

 

I think the 'on the market' comparison is a better gauge. Who really takes census numbers in to account when making buying decisions? Are people really saying…there are 63 copies of FF67 in CGC 9.0 and only 41 of THOR165 so I'm going to pay a $130 premium because it's 'rarer'…I don't think so.

[ChicksCosmiComics]

The really valuable book is the SA Thor #67

 

ya if you can find it its the only one in existance