Very small amount/small amount, etc

[FantasticFan-migration]

Could someone explain just how much glue or color touch is a very small amount vs. a small amount of glue or color touch? Thanks.

[Jaydogrules]

How much is a "minor amount" vs a "very minor amount"? And can such small amounts exist in more than one area of the book for it still to be considered as such ?

 

-J.

[joeypost]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

[Jaydogrules]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

[thunsicker]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

The cynics would say it's because some of the Mile High's got minor restoration work done and we couldn't have the premier copies of some comics in purple labels.

 

Less cynical people would say if the minor restoration wouldn't have changed the perceived grade it got a pass.

[Jaydogrules]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

The cynics would say it's because some of the Mile High's got minor restoration work done and we couldn't have the premier copies of some comics in purple labels.

 

Less cynical people would say if the minor restoration wouldn't have changed the perceived grade it got a pass.

 

(thumbs u

 

-J.

[Sqeggs]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

The cynics would say it's because some of the Mile High's got minor restoration work done and we couldn't have the premier copies of some comics in purple labels.

 

Less cynical people would say if the minor restoration wouldn't have changed the perceived grade it got a pass.

 

Right. I think some of the bigger dealers and collectors made it clear to CGC that putting Church books (and other seemingly high-grade books) in purple holders was going to be a nonstarter. As it was gearing up, CGC didn't think it could alienate those folks. Remember that it was not at all clear that third-party grading would work with comics (I didn't think it would), so they needed all the support they could get.

 

At any rate, that's my understanding of why minor ct and glue get a pass on GA books.

[rodan57]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

The cynics would say it's because some of the Mile High's got minor restoration work done and we couldn't have the premier copies of some comics in purple labels.

 

Less cynical people would say if the minor restoration wouldn't have changed the perceived grade it got a pass.

 

Right. I think some of the bigger dealers and collectors made it clear to CGC that putting Church books (and other seemingly high-grade books) in purple holders was going to be a nonstarter. As it was gearing up, CGC didn't think it could alienate those folks. Remember that it was not at all clear that third-party grading would work with comics (I didn't think it would), so they needed all the support they could get.

 

At any rate, that's my understanding of why minor ct and glue get a pass on GA books.

 

This is a fair assessment of the politics of the decision.

[Spiderphill]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

Too many tampered GA mega keys. So of course the people who possessed the mega keys wouldn't condone a third party grading company.... Unless their pressed and tampered books got the pass of course.

 

That's just all opinion on my part though.

[Jaydogrules]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

Too many tampered GA mega keys. So of course the people who possessed the mega keys wouldn't condone a third party grading company.... Unless their pressed and tampered books got the pass of course.

 

That's just all opinion on my part though.

 

I may be inclined to agree with this. I'm just glad that CGC discloses what essentially is minor "restoration" on these so-called blue label GA books regardless. Sounds to me like there's a lot of them that really belong in purple holders. I could imagine a time where those blue label GA books with restoration notes start selling at a discount. If they don't already.

 

-J.

[FantasticFan-migration]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

So would a single dot of glue or ct get the "very small amount" designation as opposed to "small amount"? I've heard it said that cgc considers a "small amount" of ct to be the (cumulative?) size of a nickel. My question really was at what point and how does cgc differentiate between "small amount" vs "very small amount"? And up to what amount would ct or glue be considered "very small"?

[Spiderphill]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

Too many tampered GA mega keys. So of course the people who possessed the mega keys wouldn't condone a third party grading company.... Unless their pressed and tampered books got the pass of course.

 

That's just all opinion on my part though.

 

I may be inclined to agree with this. I'm just glad that CGC discloses what essentially is minor "restoration" on these so-called blue label GA books regardless. Sounds to me like there's a lot of them that really belong in purple holders. I could imagine a time where those blue label GA books with restoration notes start selling at a discount. If they don't already.

 

-J.

 

The first thing we agreed on.

 

Either way, it's all speculation. Just there's very FEW things in life that are genuine and fair. With that being said, it's usually not a business pushing for the maximum profits. (thumbs u

[Jaydogrules]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

Too many tampered GA mega keys. So of course the people who possessed the mega keys wouldn't condone a third party grading company.... Unless their pressed and tampered books got the pass of course.

 

That's just all opinion on my part though.

 

I may be inclined to agree with this. I'm just glad that CGC discloses what essentially is minor "restoration" on these so-called blue label GA books regardless. Sounds to me like there's a lot of them that really belong in purple holders. I could imagine a time where those blue label GA books with restoration notes start selling at a discount. If they don't already.

 

-J.

 

The first thing we agreed on.

 

Either way, it's all speculation. Just there's very FEW things in life that are genuine and fair. With that being said, it's usually not a business pushing for the maximum profits. (thumbs u

 

(thumbs u

 

-J.

[jimbo_707]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

Too many tampered GA mega keys. So of course the people who possessed the mega keys wouldn't condone a third party grading company.... Unless their pressed and tampered books got the pass of course.

 

That's just all opinion on my part though.

I could imagine a time where those blue label GA books with restoration notes start selling at a discount. If they don't already.

 

-J.

I can state unequivocally that they do in some cases. I have passed on books like that--books that I would have been willing to pay more for than the realized price but for the "very minor amount" of glue or color touch. I won't say that I would never buy such a book, but I would treat it just like a book with a purple label and a Slight (A) designation.

[Phill the Governor]

A single dot of pen, crayon, ink or marker if detected can result in a purple label. Same with glue. Very little glue is needed in order to close a tear and make the book more visually appealing. Inversely, glue and ink on a book that does not appear to be restorative will not get the purple label, the book will just be downgraded for it.

 

Thanks Joey. Any idea why they let this kind of "restoration" slide on so many GA books?

 

-J.

 

The cynics would say it's because some of the Mile High's got minor restoration work done and we couldn't have the premier copies of some comics in purple labels.

 

Less cynical people would say if the minor restoration wouldn't have changed the perceived grade it got a pass.

 

 

 

Basically..... money.

 

 

 

But doesn't that affect everything?

 

 

 

As other's have said, it's better to treat these books as (slighty) restored. If a dot of glue or ct was added, it should receive a restored label, since it was added for a specific reason, not just for the hell of it.

[Comicdey]

I generally pass on the blue label restored books unless the price is very right, or its a gotta have it book. I do consider them as restored.

 

I did buy one a few years back that was through a dealer where it was submitted as part of the our base agreement.

 

It was sold as a certain grade and it came back blue label at a 0.5 higher with a slight glue note and a blue label. Of course it was a GA book. I still bought it per the deal, but the slight will always feel like a slight.

 

I'll always wonder what would have happened if I'd submitted it?

 

.....PLOD.....

 

 

[Sqeggs]

I generally pass on the blue label restored books unless the price is very right, or its a gotta have it book. I do consider them as restored.

 

I did buy one a few years back that was through a dealer where it was submitted as part of the our base agreement.

 

It was sold as a certain grade and it came back blue label at a 0.5 higher with a slight glue note and a blue label. Of course it was a GA book. I still bought it per the deal, but the slight will always feel like a slight.

 

I'll always wonder what would have happened if I'd submitted it?

 

.....PLOD.....

 

 

So you don't believe CGC when they say the graders don't know who has submitted the book being graded?

[Jaydogrules]

I generally pass on the blue label restored books unless the price is very right, or its a gotta have it book. I do consider them as restored.

 

I did buy one a few years back that was through a dealer where it was submitted as part of the our base agreement.

 

It was sold as a certain grade and it came back blue label at a 0.5 higher with a slight glue note and a blue label. Of course it was a GA book. I still bought it per the deal, but the slight will always feel like a slight.

 

I'll always wonder what would have happened if I'd submitted it?

 

.....PLOD.....

 

 

That's a disturbing thought.

 

After reading some of these responses I think I'll have to think twice the next time I see a GA book with restoration notes on a blue label.

 

-J.

 

 

[Comicdey]

I generally pass on the blue label restored books unless the price is very right, or its a gotta have it book. I do consider them as restored.

 

I did buy one a few years back that was through a dealer where it was submitted as part of the our base agreement.

 

It was sold as a certain grade and it came back blue label at a 0.5 higher with a slight glue note and a blue label. Of course it was a GA book. I still bought it per the deal, but the slight will always feel like a slight.

 

I'll always wonder what would have happened if I'd submitted it?

 

.....PLOD.....

 

 

So you don't believe CGC when they say the graders don't know who has submitted the book being graded?

 

No idea

 

I just don't know a single non dealer that has received a blue lable with notes that could have been considered plod. I would be interested in hearing people's submission stories of these types of books.

 

I haven't submitted enough to get one either. I have just gotten plods.

[Sqeggs]

I generally pass on the blue label restored books unless the price is very right, or its a gotta have it book. I do consider them as restored.

 

I did buy one a few years back that was through a dealer where it was submitted as part of the our base agreement.

 

It was sold as a certain grade and it came back blue label at a 0.5 higher with a slight glue note and a blue label. Of course it was a GA book. I still bought it per the deal, but the slight will always feel like a slight.

 

I'll always wonder what would have happened if I'd submitted it?

 

.....PLOD.....

 

 

So you don't believe CGC when they say the graders don't know who has submitted the book being graded?

 

No idea

 

I just don't know a single non dealer that has received a blue lable with notes that could have been considered plod. I would be interested in hearing people's submission stories of these types of books.

 

I haven't submitted enough to get one either. I have just gotten plods.

 

My take is that it's the book rather than the submitter. A high grade GA book that has a small spine split sealed with glue or a spine tick filled in with a point of ct will get a blue label with a notation even if you or I submit it.

 

If they were consciously giving breaks to particular dealers they would be running a huge risk to their reputation. Given that graders have come and gone over the years, I think word of the practice would have leaked out by now if they were doing it.

 

And, yes, I do believe in Santa Claus!