Comic Dealer Tomorrow's Treasues and Human Torch #23

[N e r V]

So I've been wanting to add a copy of Human Torch #23 to my collection for a while now and this copy shows up on Ebay and tomorrow's treasures website.

 

HUMAN TORCH #23 [1946] METAL MONSTER

FEATURING: SCARCE

BOOK DESCRIPTION: Complete, original, solid copy

COVER DESCRIPTION: Attached [tight], creases, edge/spine tear

INTERIOR PAGE COLOR: A very desirable -- Off-White

CONSERVATION: a few edge tears sealed

REPAIR: None

RESTORATION: None

GRADE: VG+/FN

PRICE: $950

 

 

 

 

 

So two questions.

 

 

Anyone have much experience with tomorrow's treasures since I only bought one book from them years ago on Ebay and nothing since. Are they a "safe" business to deal with?

 

Also at $950.00 it seems a bit overpriced but there is a "make a offer" option so what is a fair price for the book? I'm guessing it would make more sense to offer something via their website vs Ebay of coarse.

 

Any help would be fantastic.

[Cat-Man_America]

Some folks like to deal with Tomorrow's Treasures, some don't, but as far as I know Richie Muchin is pretty much a straight-shooter (trustworthy).

 

HT#23 is a tough book with a classic Schomburg cover, but you might get him to knock off $50 to $100. Just don't press him too hard when making an offer. Richie can get irritable.

 

Grading looks about right (VG+). With tear seals it wouldn't get a CGC Universal label, probably Conserved (better than Restored). My

 

[gino2paulus2]

Some folks like to deal with Tomorrow's Treasures, some don't, but as far as I know Richie Muchin is pretty much a straight-shooter (trustworthy).

 

HT#23 is a tough book with a classic Schomburg cover, but you might get him to knock off $50 to $100. Just don't press him too hard when making an offer. Richie can get irritable.

 

Grading looks about right (VG+). With tear seals it wouldn't get a CGC Universal label, probably Conserved (better than Restored). My

 

If my recollection is accurate Cat is the go too man when it comes to HT23s!! Let's see those beauties

 

 

[EC ed]

Some folks like to deal with Tomorrow's Treasures, some don't, but as far as I know Richie Muchin is pretty much a straight-shooter (trustworthy).

 

HT#23 is a tough book with a classic Schomburg cover, but you might get him to knock off $50 to $100. Just don't press him too hard when making an offer. Richie can get irritable.

 

 

+1

 

I've bought books from him multiple times, and always found him to be very fair in negotiations, return policies, etc...can't press too hard, though. If he thinks you're trying to lowball, the discussion won't last very long.

 

I've always dealt with him straight through his website/personal e-mail/telephone...never via eBay. He's more flexible on price off eBay, and more flexible still if you pay via personal check (which I have done without hesitation).

[The_SandMan]

depends how long the book has been sitting. I did 40% offer one time and he accepted. But I agree he has a bit of a temper and gets agitated very quickly.

[G.A.tor]

For nary twice that price you can get a high grade unrestored

[thunsicker]

For nary twice that price you can get a high grade unrestored

 

This. You could knock 50% off his price and it would still be more than that book would reach at auction. Plus if G.A.tor is saying he has a higher grade issue unrestored for less than 2 grand you may have a better option on the boards.

[Iksar]

Richie is a character all right. I've bought from him dozens of times over the years. (Got my Giant Comic Edition 12 many moons ago). He does weird restoration things to books, but is it up front about it. Now if he would just keep his shoes on at shows...

[N e r V]

For nary twice that price you can get a high grade unrestored

 

 

I haven't seen to many copies available but maybe I'm not looking hard enough? It's a book I've wanted to own but can't say I've been actively looking for one either. I was actually looking for a couple other looks and happened across this by accident.

 

I was also thinking the same about the price that this would probably be a non-blue CGC label if in a slab so that seems a bit high for a book that is "slightly" restored.

 

So this would be a purple label book in the end?

[G.A.tor]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

[Gotham Kid]

conserved label (purple nonetheless)

[N e r V]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Ugh. How much more under 2k?

 

(for 50 cents more would you like to upgrade to a 64 oz. Coke? )

[thunsicker]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Better jump on that quick.

[Cat-Man_America]

Some folks like to deal with Tomorrow's Treasures, some don't, but as far as I know Richie Muchin is pretty much a straight-shooter (trustworthy).

 

HT#23 is a tough book with a classic Schomburg cover, but you might get him to knock off $50 to $100. Just don't press him too hard when making an offer. Richie can get irritable.

 

Grading looks about right (VG+). With tear seals it wouldn't get a CGC Universal label, probably Conserved (better than Restored). My

 

If my recollection is accurate Cat is the go too man when it comes to HT23s!! Let's see those beauties

 

 

Alas, I sold one of those sweet puppies not too long ago.

 

For nary twice that price you can get a high grade unrestored

 

Really? Guess I need to buy my duplicate copy back at a discount and pocket the difference!

 

Forget OPG on this'n (think double and you'll be in the ballpark). In high grade, HT#23 should be around $2800 (8.5) climbing to $7000 (9.4). My

 

Granted, Richie Muchin's price for a conserved book is a little steep, but that'un doesn't come up often.

 

[Cat-Man_America]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

Wow! Is it a pretty copy? What does the first cover look like?

 

 

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Better jump on that quick.

 

+ 1 ...but not literally.

[AnkurJ]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Ugh. How much more under 2k?

 

(for 50 cents more would you like to upgrade to a 64 oz. Coke? )

 

This would be a much better move in the long run.

[G.A.tor]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Ugh. How much more under 2k?

 

(for 50 cents more would you like to upgrade to a 64 oz. Coke? )

maybe $5

[N e r V]

The "it's only xxx dollars more..." Is an on going joke between me and my GF.

 

I've learned to not fall for it at the movies but not so much with old comics and cars...

 

 

Either way this thread may have lead to a Torch #23 for me so thanks everyone for your input.

[Sqeggs]

I think I have a double cover (interior cover 8.5 iirc) that I have available at under 2k

 

 

Better jump on that quick.

 

if he doesn't want it.

[Sqeggs]

For nary twice that price you can get a high grade unrestored

 

 

I haven't seen to many copies available but maybe I'm not looking hard enough? It's a book I've wanted to own but can't say I've been actively looking for one either. I was actually looking for a couple other looks and happened across this by accident.

 

I was also thinking the same about the price that this would probably be a non-blue CGC label if in a slab so that seems a bit high for a book that is "slightly" restored.

 

So this would be a purple label book in the end?

 

I've bought quite a few books from him over the years with no problems.

 

The "tear seals" he puts on are sometimes removable, which should get the book in a blue slab. He's not a great one for discussing that kind of thing at length though because he's the king of the anti-slabbers.

 

Other things he is more than happy to discuss at great length.