Cockrum X-Men #112 Cover Prelim

[Ted_L]

Did anyone on this board just win this auction?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dave-Cockrum-Marvel-Comics-Group-Sketch-Pictures-Print-/262211773218

 

If so, I'd be very curious to know when it arrives if the cover prelim is truly original art or not. I was considering getting this, but I couldn't tell if it was a Xerox or not, and I've gotten burned before.

 

The Wolverine sketch looks like a print to me, but the cover prelim looks like it could be original, although I'd expect to see more visible blue pencil.

 

Here are a few Cockrum prelims in my collection for reference:

http://www.comicsfun.com/comicsart/cockrum/PowerMan57_Prelim

http://www.comicsfun.com/comicsart/cockrum/Defenders63_Prelim

 

Regards,

Ted

 

 

 

 

[Silver Surfer]

I wish I saw that. Would have been worth risking a couple hundred dollars on it.

[cloud cloddie]

They look like prints, and the auction description says prints... so I'm assuming they're prints.

[kav]

They're the old sell prints and act clueless and hope for a big bidder deal.

[JadeGiant]

They're the old sell prints and act clueless and hope for a big bidder deal.

 

agreed, this appears to be the 'feigning ignorance' sales strategy in full effect - it just takes a couple people gambling to move up the price.

[Ted_L]

That's probably the case, but you never know. This seller doesn't seem to deal in comic art a lot, so it's possible he's not sure what he has here. Hopefully we'll find out eventually. Maybe this will turn up on comicartfans one of these days.

 

Regards,

Ted

[kav]

true

[Bird]

That's probably the case, but you never know. This seller doesn't seem to deal in comic art a lot, so it's possible he's not sure what he has here. Hopefully we'll find out eventually. Maybe this will turn up on comicartfans one of these days.

 

Regards,

Ted

 

What a n00b!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ferran Delgado]

Ted, the prelim was published in Alter Ego #78, but it's hard to tell if it's the original or a copy from there. But if it was a fake, it'd be strange that the seller offers so many pics from it and it's folded in half.

 

[Terry Doyle]

Did anyone on this board just win this auction?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dave-Cockrum-Marvel-Comics-Group-Sketch-Pictures-Print-/262211773218

 

If so, I'd be very curious to know when it arrives if the cover prelim is truly original art or not. I was considering getting this, but I couldn't tell if it was a Xerox or not, and I've gotten burned before.

 

 

How come you didn't try to clarify with the seller? Just curious.

[Ted_L]

Based on the description, it seemed pretty clear that the seller wasn't sure what he had and as crazy as it sounds, I've found that people who don't collect art often can't tell the difference between an original and a Xerox.

 

On top of that, Dave often made copies of his sketches and prelims and some of them have been folded over the years. I didn't want to risk getting a copy and then having to try to return it.

 

Based on the scan from Alter Ego (thanks Ferran), I'm pretty sure this was just a copy as there's no apparent blue pencil in the pictures from eBay.

 

Thanks,

Ted

 

[Ferran Delgado]

Ted, I darkened the pic and I think that there are blue lines.

[Terry Doyle]

Ted, I darkened the pic and I think that there are blue lines.

 

Yeah, based on your detective work I'm leaning towards this being genuine OA (prelim, at least).

 

Understand Ted's stance on this one and, to be honest, would personally have taken this as being a print (which the seller states in his description).

 

I agree that many outside of the hobby wouldn't know the difference between a print and OA, but a few lines of inquiry with the seller would have been preferable to asking the buyer (should he surface), imho.

 

 

[Tellshiar]

Hi, you saw what I did after refining the pics. As we all know, blue pencils from that era don't Xerox over. I have many Xerox copies (Marvel) from that era and none have the blue. Also, there is no Xerox degradation or speckle on it either. I contacted the seller and he was out of town for the holidays so couldn't answer my questions on the size of the actual art framed. I bid anyway and won, and it will be arriving Saturday so will let this forum know. I know it is authentic, but I am hoping that when it was framed that it wasn't mounted to the board: That is my only worry.

 

BTW - Being that this is a key cover (The first time Wolverine's own claws are used against him) what does this forum think its value would be, being that it is only prleiminary? Curious on your opinions.

[J.Sid]

First time Wolverine's claws are used against him is a Key? You've been hanging around Cool Lines too much!

 

Great cover regardless. One of my favorites.

[Ted_L]

Congrats on the pickup! Hopefully the Wolverine is original too, although I'm a bit skeptical based on the scan. Please keep us posted.

 

Regards,

Ted

[kav]

Hey Tellshiar!! My old buddy from my Bill Mantlo no-prize sale!

Welcome to the boards and congrats

[Tellshiar]

Thanks, when I did a search on the art I was amazed that several boards were talking about it. I had wanted to sign up here for awhile and glad I did. That was a great Mantlo No-Prize and glad you got it.

[kav]

I've recomended you to members before for your vast expertise on Marvel ephemera. A great addition to these boards for sure!

[Tellshiar]

The art has still not arrived. The tracking number he gave me says "The Post Office was Electronically Notified To Expect Receipt Of This Package" which tells me that it wasn't shipped yet. The seller told me it was, but it has been 8 days now so I am wondering what is up. Maybe this was too good to be true. I will let everyone know. The seller has great feedback.