Celebrate Dell'Otto! 15 15

[Jaydogrules]

 

Yes the ASM 667 gets its attention largely because of it's unusual rarity and its presence in the ASM title run. But the art truly is simple and beautiful. To see a copy in hand is to know what I mean. To think that few will ever have an opportunity to actually see one in person is a remarkable notion. And without its noteriety, Dell'otto the artist probably would never have come on collectors' radar and his other fantastic work may not have ever gotten any attention. Most "hot" modern artists have a signature cover , and the ASM 667 is easily his.

 

-J.

 

 

Eh, saw it, had the chance to buy it and I was [/b] .

 

But if you guys love it, more power to you. I think some of his Spider-Verse stuff is better personally.

 

You should have picked it up.

 

Could have been a hell of a flip if nothing else.

 

-J.

 

At the time it was way overpriced, if I had bought it and flipped it now I would have turned maybe a $500ish profit... Not worth the risk at the time...

 

For the price I would rather buy an original painting from him of one of my favorite characters.

 

I think there are a decent number of people out there that have this book and don't know what they have.

 

Highly unlikely at this point given the ratio of the book, its age, what it sells for even in ragged condition, and how it was originally released but hey, anything's possible under the sun.

 

-J.

 

I'm not saying it isn't a small number. But with somewhere between 200-500 copies printed (includes a lot of assumtions). Where did the other 175-475 go that haven't been in "circulation."

 

Do you think people threw them away?

 

While Dell'Otto has gained huge popularity overall, I still think this book is largely unknown to the market at large.

 

Oh they're certainly out there no doubt.

 

I would simply posit that the small quantity that was printed and circulated (whatever that number may actually be) is buried deep within ASM run and rare variant fanatics collections, and is long out of the hands of speculators and flippers.

 

Hence the ever so slight trickle of copies we see hitting the market and the census, no matter how high prices on copies seem to get.

 

-J.

 

You mean there are rare variant fanatics outside the boards!!!

 

Maybe you are right, maybe I am or maybe it is a balance of both.

 

:shrug:

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation.

 

There are many modern variants that do the same thing; they simply haven't been as thoroughly discussed. It IS "standard convention" for many of these books to disappear into whatever various holes they go to, not to be seen again for lengths of time.

 

I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I don't know what "under ordered" means. After all, Superman #75 was also "under ordered", and it stands as the second highest printed book of "all time" (after X-Men #1, and it's certainly not X-Force #1.)

 

But yes, it was certainly lightly ordered at the retail level, as a last minute offering, offered at the time of the original FOC, with the FOC then extended another week.

 

Tough, tough book, obviously.

 

Yes, these clarifications are well taken.

 

-J.

[bababooey]

WTF I had this gif ready and everything....

 

[BarryAllen]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

[ickwinzs]

I just received my dell Otto art other than its size its really a cool piece. His rep really shipped this quick to me so Kudos for David Ceci!

[AJsLongboxComics]

I just received my dell Otto art other than its size its really a cool piece. His rep really shipped this quick to me so Kudos for David Ceci!

What are the dimensions?

[ickwinzs]

27x17 cm basicly the same as a comic cover

[thecollector881]

Dollar box finds from today and yesterday

[Kyle R.]

Dollar box finds from today and yesterday

 

 

Dollar box you say........

Edited April 2, 2016 by Candletric

[Jaydogrules]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

[BarryAllen]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

Obviously the book isn't following traditional buying/selling habits. However, there is a difference between someone who is speculating on eBay with "hot covers" right now with books that have been more recently published and advertised as "Dell'Otto."

 

I am not suggesting that the "majority" of anyone are doing anything, but rather throwing out a suggestion as to why we don't see more copies. People are largely motivated by money and it stands to reason that if more people knew it was worth >$1,000 in mid grade and up there would be more for sale. Not to mention the modern variant speculation trend is still a relatively young one (well this trend is young this time around). The book is clearly rare with a speculated 200-500 distributed, but my bet is that people bought the book (for any number of reasons, but at the time it probably wasn't a bunch of Dell'Otto fanboys/girls) and put it into their long/short-box collection and have since forgotten about it.

 

To be fair you hit the same faulty logic if you assume the majority of people don't know what they have when you assume that the majority of people do. In my favor though, on one side of that equation you are off-set with human behavior (money is a motivator, if more people knew what they have then more would be for sale) while on the other side you saying that the other 175-475 owners are run completionists and fanatics (and impervious to the almighty dollar) - which to mean seems less likely.

 

In the end I am not declaring you incorrect, I am just proposing that everyone out there might not be as educated on the value of a random variant that without a CGC designation, the cover artist goes unnoticed (it isn't like Dell'Otto's art is as easily identifiable as Hughes or some others that have a very consistent style).

[jimjum12]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

...... this type of logic is what makes me tend to buy your theory....... catch me up if you would Jay, is there any type of anecdotal background information circulating about where any of the known copies originated from ? GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[revat]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

But same thing that makes asm valuable makes near impossible to apply the same logic. There's more amazing spiderman completionists than any other title, no one has seventy year old loyalty to original sin or gamora. Even iron man and avengers and ff have not been as consistently popular for so long. So potentially many many more people are less willing to care about the value once they own it let alone sell it when it comes to asm. That doesn't make it less valuable, probably more actually. But it really doesn't tell you much about print run numbers

Edited April 2, 2016 by Revat

[Lonzilla]

Here's a few worth appreciating for the art. If they were variants they'd be very expensive, but I think the current price of about $5 each is money well spent. LOOK at 'em!

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[Jaydogrules]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

...... this type of logic is what makes me tend to buy your theory....... catch me up if you would Jay, is there any type of anecdotal background information circulating about where any of the known copies originated from ? GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

Hey Jim I personally know of where about 15 or so of the known copies originated. Mine came from Canada. The other original owners I knew cashed out on the book years ago, and I am familiar with some of the secondary owners. The OO's got their books by and large from their LCS' in larger metropolitan areas. A couple of the original owner boardies that I have heard from got their copies directly from the owner of their LCS that they had a hook up with. Another original owner got his directly through Beach Bum's 9.8 service.

 

Jerome got his from kuddy (original owner). Dutch74 got his off eBay from an OO. I've seen the same raw copy change hands on eBay three different times over a three year period, each time for a greater sum. The 7.0 raw copy that sold on MCS is the first time I've seen that one. The last few raw copies sold have all been in kind of rough shape for a modern. It tends to lend credibility that many of the few copies that were printed and distributed were damaged, but then sold anyway.

This is all definitely anecdotal , but there does seem to be some consistency to what I've heard relative to what we've seen on the market.

 

-J.

[jimjum12]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

...... this type of logic is what makes me tend to buy your theory....... catch me up if you would Jay, is there any type of anecdotal background information circulating about where any of the known copies originated from ? GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

Hey Jim I personally know of where about 15 or so of the known copies originated. Mine came from Canada. The other original owners I knew cashed out on the book years ago, and I am familiar with some of the secondary owners. The OO's got their books by and large from their LCS' in larger metropolitan areas. A couple of the original owner boardies that I have heard from got their copies directly from the owner of their LCS that they had a hook up with. Another original owner got his directly through Beach Bum's 9.8 service.

 

Jerome got his from kuddy (original owner). Dutch74 got his off eBay from an OO. I've seen the same raw copy change hands on eBay three different times over a three year period, each time for a greater sum. The 7.0 raw copy that sold on MCS is the first time I've seen that one. The last few raw copies sold have all been in kind of rough shape for a modern. It tends to lend credibility that many of the few copies that were printed and distributed were damaged, but then sold anyway.

This is all definitely anecdotal , but there does seem to be some consistency to what I've heard relative to what we've seen on the market.

 

-J.

 

 

 

.... thank you for the Cliff Notes version. Has Beach Bum been approached in regards to his experience with this book ? GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[Jaydogrules]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

Obviously the book isn't following traditional buying/selling habits. However, there is a difference between someone who is speculating on eBay with "hot covers" right now with books that are <5 years old and the person who likely bought this off the shelves ~17 years ago.

 

I am not suggesting that the "majority" of anyone are doing anything, but rather throwing out a suggestion as to why we don't see more copies. People are largely motivated by money and it stands to reason that if more people knew it was worth >$1,000 in mid grade and up there would be more for sale. Not to mention the modern variant speculation trend is still a relatively young one (well this trend is young this time around). The book is clearly rare with a speculated 200-500 distributed, but in 1999 my bet is that people bought the book (for any number of reasons, but at the time it probably wasn't a bunch of Dell'Otto fanboys/girls) and put it into their long/short-box collection and have since forgotten about it.

 

To be fair you hit the same faulty logic if you assume the majority of people don't know what they have when you assume that the majority of people do. In my favor though, on one side of that equation you are off-set with human behavior (money is a motivator, if more people knew what they have then more would be for sale) while on the other side you saying that the other 175-475 owners are run completionists and fanatics (and impervious to the almighty dollar) - which to mean seems less likely.

 

In the end I am not declaring you incorrect, I am just proposing that everyone out there might not be as educated on the value of a random variant from ~17 years that without a CGC designation, the cover artist goes unnoticed (it isn't like Dell'Otto's art is as easily identifiable as Hughes or some others that have a very consistent style).

 

Just a couple of points of clarification...the book was actually published in 2011, not 1999. Granted, even in 2011, the artist was not on the general collectors' radars, but CGC does specify on the label "Dell'otto Variant Cover " or some such, as opposed to the more generic "Variant Edition" that is usually used. The white label sticker on top of the case says the same.

 

So with these clarifications , would you agree that it is unlikely that there is a majority of collectors who bought this book five years ago and then forgot about it and don't realize what they have ? Especially since the book was hitting $600+ barely a year after its release? Based largely on its famed rarity ?

 

That it is more likely that they are just being held tightly in permanent collections , their scarcity on the market being a combination of that and its unusually low print run, orders and subsequent distribution (for a marquee title)?

 

-J.

 

 

[Jaydogrules]

 

Speculative conversations like this will likely always occur with the book because it is such a conundrum and defies all standard convention and expectation. I do stand by my earlier analysis however , that the book was simply under ordered at the retail level as a last minute offering that was subsequent to the original FOC, and of course the fact that it is a 1:100 doesn't hurt either.

 

-J.

 

I want to be clear I wasn't disagreeing with the number of copies, just postulating where they are. Whether everyone who has one "knows what they have."

 

I think it people really knew about the book broadly and knew the value, there would be more copies for sale. I don't know very many fanatics that would refuse several thousand dollars for a book that cost them $5 or less...and I have met a lot of comic collectors (crazy fanatics and all).

 

That's precisely my point. If collectors recognize when, say, original sin #2 goes from being a $20 book to even just a $200 book, and copies fly out of collections at even that modest of a price point, what basis do we have to believe that the majority of collectors who own an ASM 667 are collectively clueless that it sells for $2500 in even raw 8.0 condition ?

 

One thing that we can generally set our watches to is, when a particular issue suddenly pops, a requisite ebay flood is never too far behind. Even if said "flood" is relatively modest and consists of the 10 or so raw copies of X -23 #1, for another example, that hit the market once it became a $500-$600+ book raw.

 

-J.

 

 

...... this type of logic is what makes me tend to buy your theory....... catch me up if you would Jay, is there any type of anecdotal background information circulating about where any of the known copies originated from ? GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

Hey Jim I personally know of where about 15 or so of the known copies originated. Mine came from Canada. The other original owners I knew cashed out on the book years ago, and I am familiar with some of the secondary owners. The OO's got their books by and large from their LCS' in larger metropolitan areas. A couple of the original owner boardies that I have heard from got their copies directly from the owner of their LCS that they had a hook up with. Another original owner got his directly through Beach Bum's 9.8 service.

 

Jerome got his from kuddy (original owner). Dutch74 got his off eBay from an OO. I've seen the same raw copy change hands on eBay three different times over a three year period, each time for a greater sum. The 7.0 raw copy that sold on MCS is the first time I've seen that one. The last few raw copies sold have all been in kind of rough shape for a modern. It tends to lend credibility that many of the few copies that were printed and distributed were damaged, but then sold anyway.

This is all definitely anecdotal , but there does seem to be some consistency to what I've heard relative to what we've seen on the market.

 

-J.

 

 

 

.... thank you for the Cliff Notes version. Has Beach Bum been approached in regards to his experience with this book ? GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

As far as I know kuddy got his only copy, and it was one of (if not the first) copies to be graded.

 

I've heard from other multiple retailers who said they don't recall ever seeing the book originally available to order.

 

I personally attribute that to the way the book was announced after "last call" for that month, and on the day of the original FOC for the month.

 

-J.

[BarryAllen]

 

Just a couple of points of clarification...the book was actually published in 2011, not 1999. Granted, even in 2011, the artist was not on the general collectors' radars, but CGC does specify on the label "Dell'otto Variant Cover " or some such, as opposed to the more generic "Variant Edition" that is usually used. The white label sticker on top of the case says the same.

 

So with these clarifications , would you agree that it is unlikely that there is a majority of collectors who bought this book five years ago and then forgot about it and don't realize what they have ? Especially since the book was hitting $600+ barely a year after its release? Based largely on its famed rarity ?

 

That it is more likely that they are just being held tightly in permanent collections , their scarcity on the market being a combination of that and its unusually low print run, orders and subsequent distribution (for a marquee title)?

 

-J.

 

 

Hmm, don't know how I got the date wrong. Whoops, looked at the wrong date here: ( marvel.com ) start of the series versus the "published date." My bad!

 

I still stand by my statement that Dell'Otto' fandom only recently started and it is possible people don't know what they have. Not everyone checks the value of random issues (let alone variants), particularly once they already own them.

 

I am just saying that it doesn't make sense that 175-475 people are not interested in making a few thousand dollars is all.

 

Even the Dell'Otto fanatics are chasing in on other gushing titles. People don't hold onto things when they gush in value, they sell. Otherwise prices would never go up as everyone would only ever sell if they died and that is clearly not the case - we see waves of books behind pricing surges.

 

Or are you suggesting that there are really only like 15 left in existence?

 

[Jaydogrules]

 

Just a couple of points of clarification...the book was actually published in 2011, not 1999. Granted, even in 2011, the artist was not on the general collectors' radars, but CGC does specify on the label "Dell'otto Variant Cover " or some such, as opposed to the more generic "Variant Edition" that is usually used. The white label sticker on top of the case says the same.

 

So with these clarifications , would you agree that it is unlikely that there is a majority of collectors who bought this book five years ago and then forgot about it and don't realize what they have ? Especially since the book was hitting $600+ barely a year after its release? Based largely on its famed rarity ?

 

That it is more likely that they are just being held tightly in permanent collections , their scarcity on the market being a combination of that and its unusually low print run, orders and subsequent distribution (for a marquee title)?

 

-J.

 

 

Hmm, don't know how I got the date wrong. Whoops, looked at the wrong date here: ( marvel.com ) start of the series versus the "published date." My bad!

 

I still stand by my statement that Dell'Otto' fandom only recently started and it is possible people don't know what they have. Not everyone checks the value of random issues (let alone variants), particularly once they already own them.

 

I am just saying that it doesn't make sense that 175-475 people are not interested in making a few thousand dollars is all.

 

Even the Dell'Otto fanatics are chasing in on other gushing titles. People don't hold onto things when they gush in value, they sell. Otherwise prices would never go up as everyone would only ever sell if they died and that is clearly not the case - we see waves of books behind pricing surges.

 

Or are you suggesting that there are really only like 15 left in existence?

 

No not at all

 

But if a book like Bats 608 RRP, with ~280 slabs (on a 500 estimated print run) can virtually dry up on the market into permanent collections , despite a $3k+ price tag, it doesn't seem beyond the realm of probability that a book with ~24 slabs on an estimated print run of as few as 200 could very easily disappear into permanent collections (and much faster than the Bats 608 did, given the amount of Spidey completionists, and not even taking into account rare variant hunters and now Dell'otto fans).

 

-J.

[BarryAllen]

 

No not at all

 

But if a book like Bats 608 RRP, with ~280 slabs (on a 500 estimated print run) can virtually dry up on the market into permanent collections , despite a $3k+ price tag, it doesn't seem beyond the realm of probability that a book with ~24 slabs on an estimated print run of as few as 200 could very easily disappear into permanent collections (and much faster than the Bats 608 did, given the amount of Spidey completionists, and not even taking into account rare variant hunters and now Dell'otto fans).

 

-J.

 

Strange times.