Where did all the Marvel Silver Age art go ?

[DeadpoolJr.]

Bumping this thread. Interesting lawsuit going on here in NYC. Apparently a Picasso was sold by a woman who claims her employer gave it to get as a gift (she was her housekeeper). The Picasso then changed hands, was put on display at Art Basel in Miami, attempted for sale at Sotherbys and now the employer is claiming that it was stolen by the housekeeper (who no longer lives in the United States) and the current owner is being sued.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/westchester-billionaire-picasso-work-sale-stolen-article-1.2608399

How do you not notice a painting worth 1 million dollars is gone? Though I guess if your a billionaire, you must have a lot of nice things on display. I'm also leaning towards believing the story to since I can't imagine you give a one of a kind painting away worth so much even if you had the money.

[drdroom]

Well, she was a REALLY good housekeeper.

[Funnyslover]

Another great link.

 

With thanks to suspense39

 

Ditko's views on "who owns original art" :

 

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/695/original-art-essay-ditko.jpg

 

G'nite

[Funnyslover]

http://www.comicartfans.com/galleryroom.asp?gsub=38988

 

http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-sold-original-art-in-1973/

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=700711

 

https://books.google.fr/books?id=TrZ7Jx2nqIQC&pg=PA222&lpg=PA222&dq=pete+koch+marvel+art&source=bl&ots=NC8-kzjRvG&sig=Qn4O4eFobqkE8Bvd3OrnZ0OSkPQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjakY7cy9zLAhUE7xQKHXCcBSUQ6AEIHTAB#v=onepage&q=pete%20koch%20marvel%20art&f=false

 

http://irenevartanoff.com/?p=505

 

https://books.google.fr/books?id=TrZ7Jx2nqIQC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=marvel+silver+age+covers+journey+into+mystery+80+89&source=bl&ots=NC8-kzhRDI&sig=gy-GeYDbGEXzY-gPy8sIyKG61_U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ45XJxNzLAhUDTCYKHdf-CWUQ6AEIITAD#v=onepage&q=marvel%20silver%20age%20covers%20journey%20into%20mystery%2080%2089&f=false

 

http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/19stolen.html

 

http://ohdannyboy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/original-art-stories-jack-

 

http://ohdannyboy.blogspot.fr/2011/04/marvel-worldwide-inc-et-al-v-kirby-et_17.html

 

Go to faq 30

http://unitedfanzineorganization.weebly.com/ditkofaq.html#005

 

Go to bottom of page 7

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=700711&fpart=4

 

https://books.google.fr/books?id=TrZ7Jx2nqIQC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=list+art+returned+to+kirby&source=bl&ots=NC8-kAiMBA&sig=xjW6De3BOjn2mo4QNSSV2H2qo-s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi98PnK69zLAhVGzRQKHZ0RD_sQ6AEIMTAH#v=onepage&q=list%20art%20returned%20to%20kirby&f=false

 

http://unitedfanzineorganization.weebly.com/ditkofaq.html#030

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-09-02/features/0809010104_1_artwork-comic-book-steve-ditko

 

http://jimshooter.com/2011/03/mystery-of-missing-box-of-marve.html/

 

http://jimshooter.com/2011/12/surprising-sinnott-and-items-of.html/

 

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/695/original-art-essay-ditko.jpg

 

http://s45.photobucket.com/user/chromiumcomics/media/c7648c2251eb552da790bd4cfb59b0a8_zpsvrldsasx.jpg.html

 

http://www.pipelinecomics.com/the-mystery-of-60s-marvel-jack-kirby-original-artworK

 

G'nite

 

 

 

Updated with an interesting new link/article :

 

 

http://www.pipelinecomics.com/the-mystery-of-60s-marvel-jack-kirby-original-artwork/

 

 

Hide your kirbys

Hide your kirbys

The disney is coming

 

[copyright : Ian Fleming, author of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang]

 

G'nite

[Unca Ben]

At this point in time, that would really stink.

 

 

[Peter G]

At this point in time, that would really stink.

 

 

Yes it would stink but I think this is a lot of sound and fury over nothing.

 

Hide your Kirby's if you want I guess.

 

It is just going to make them more valuable when they pop up again fresh to market.

 

 

[chromium]

Speaking of Silver Age marvel art.. it's been a rumor for decades that Gill Kane would often leave the bullpen with more art than when he came in. Apparently he was a big fan of his peers and just loved to take their art home.

A few years ago I spoke about this with curator Sara Duke at the Library of Congress while viewing the art to AF #15. She told me she had heard similar stories, but also that it never was quite clear if he actually took them or if he had permission from Stan or anyone else as nobody really cared about art in those days (well maybe the original artists would have preferred to take their old art back home with them, but that's another discussion)

So fast forward to yesterday and I'm sitting at home, reading a comic book Ted McKeever's Pencilhead (Image) and lo and behold I see this

 

 

 

Now the narrator is probably Archie Goodwin, while the artist with the bulging portfolio is called "Dil Krane"

 

I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of this...

 

[Bill C]

Speaking of Silver Age marvel art.. it's been a rumor for decades that Gill Kane would often leave the bullpen with more art than when he came in. Apparently he was a big fan of his peers and just loved to take their art home.

A few years ago I spoke about this with curator Sara Duke at the Library of Congress while viewing the art to AF #15. She told me she had heard similar stories, but also that it never was quite clear if he actually took them or if he had permission from Stan or anyone else as nobody really cared about art in those days (well maybe the original artists would have preferred to take their old art back home with them, but that's another discussion)

So fast forward to yesterday and I'm sitting at home, reading a comic book Ted McKeever's Pencilhead (Image) and lo and behold I see this

 

 

 

Now the narrator is probably Archie Goodwin, while the artist with the bulging portfolio is called "Dil Krane"

 

I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of this...

 

That's interesting.

Kane obviously did a ton of covers for Marvel in the 70's.

Does anyone know if/when he suddenly stopped doing covers for them?

[Unca Ben]

There's stories of Kane taking Marvel art.

 

Goodwin was Marvel's Editor-in Chief from 1976-1977.

Gil Kane was doing plenty of work for Marvel up to 1982.

There's a gap from 1983 until 1990, when he did a little more work for Marvel in the '90s.

(according to Mike's Amazing World - Gil Kane creator page).

[Funnyslover]

Speaking of Silver Age marvel art.. it's been a rumor for decades that Gill Kane would often leave the bullpen with more art than when he came in. Apparently he was a big fan of his peers and just loved to take their art home.

A few years ago I spoke about this with curator Sara Duke at the Library of Congress while viewing the art to AF #15. She told me she had heard similar stories, but also that it never was quite clear if he actually took them or if he had permission from Stan or anyone else as nobody really cared about art in those days (well maybe the original artists would have preferred to take their old art back home with them, but that's another discussion)

So fast forward to yesterday and I'm sitting at home, reading a comic book Ted McKeever's Pencilhead (Image) and lo and behold I see this

 

 

 

Now the narrator is probably Archie Goodwin, while the artist with the bulging portfolio is called "Dil Krane"

 

I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of this...

 

On another occasion he was stopped on the way out and asked to return the portfolio and to "at least wait until it has been published" - see below - Comments section.

 

http://jimshooter.com/2011/12/surprising-sinnott-and-items-of.html/

[drdroom]

Anybody got the list of art that was returned to Kirby by Marvel?

[pemart1966]

All three of those stories are good Mike. Even if 'hearsay' and lacking further documentation. They illustrate the same point three times: as long as Marvel legally owned the artwork (and they did for all three of those stories) and either disposed of it as they saw fit or chose not to pursue their loss of property (where did the proceeds of Stan's selling end up? Going home with Stan most likely ) - there's nothing further legally to be done. Statute of limitations expired a very long time ago. Even morally, it's a grey area that leans heavily toward not being anything to write home about. This all from the collector's/dealer's pov. People are free to act on their own conscience here.

 

From the artists pov - very different story. They could have (and maybe still can? I dunno!) make a pretty big stink on legal and moral grounds for anything less than 100% returns (amongst the various creators splits) when that policy was put in place for vintage (stored) art. That's the point where Marvel's role in relation to the art changed from property owner to property custodian (on behalf of the artists).

 

All my unprofessional "imo", of course.

 

 

The story about #9 is not "heresay". Most of the art for that book was indeed for sale at an NYC Con in 1982. I know this for a fact. I was at that show. I had the art in my hands and looked over every page that was there. In fact there were also a few Spidey pages from other issues (#23 comes to mind) there as well.

 

I say "most" of the book was there. There were a few interior pages missing.

 

I also asked about the cover. It was not there nor had the seller of the art sold it previously.

[Funnyslover]

Anybody got the list of art that was returned to Kirby by Marvel?

 

Yes, it's within the 9th link on page 1 of this thread.

 

G'nite

[drdroom]

Anybody got the list of art that was returned to Kirby by Marvel?

 

Yes, it's within the 9th link on page 1 of this thread.

 

G'nite