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Is it just me? Sale threads...EBay sales

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4GEMWORKS

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Granted, some of my searches may be biased because they are books I am looking for. Certainly not widely bought/sold titles like ASM. Here is one for starters.

 

I sold my Captain Marvel 17 in 9.8 to Thomas Drew of these boards a while ago. Since then I had been looking for lower grade, lesser cost copy. I have auto search on Ebay for "Captain Marvel CGC" and this book, among others, showed up.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captain-Marvel-17-CGC-8-0-1st-App-New-Costume-KEY-ISSUE-Movie-Coming-Soon-/152057326561?

 

I e-mailed seller and asked how he arrived at the price and he said it was a "hot" book.

 

10 year GPA range 4--$95. Last sale in 2015 $40.

 

Yours for only $163...no takers...

 

Rather than just skip over the over-priced listing, you decided to contact the seller & question his pricing?

 

Really?

 

Yeah...really. I see this stuff come up on my auto listing. By the time it was re-listed the third time I had to ask. Now I consider it wasting my time. How does a seller decide a book should be listed at 2X the last sale? Rhetorical really, we all see it all the time.

 

So.....the seller is wasting your time because his listing comes up in your auto feed?

 

What do you consider the time spent contacting the seller to berate them?

 

A seller on Ebay is just as subject to questions or inquiry as a seller down the street from me. Frankly it's a waste of my time, but I figure maybe I can get somebody thinking about how they price things in the future. This guy, in particular, was very belligerent :mad: , mostly thinking I was trying o jawbone him down in price. I had not the slightest interest in a low grade copy of the book that was being listed at a much higher grade price.

 

So was it a waste of time? hm Probably. Is this thread a waste of time...probably. But I decided I would post some notes whenever I see outrageous pricing on books I run into while making personal searches.

 

 

I can tell you if I was a seller and I started getting notes like this, I might give the criticizing party a piece of my mind and then I would probably think about lowering the price.

 

So no offense meant: why don't you visit those posts where time is not being wasted, if that is a concern to you, and let me waste my time here? :baiting:

 

I plan on wasting a bit more time here!

 

Waste away. (thumbs u

 

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While I see what you are pointing out on eBay with the high prices, it works the other way too. We've seen some big books get listed at way too low a price.

 

Same on the forum, sometimes things sell in seconds and 3 people have :takeit: posted at the same time.

 

The truth is, that pricing is not always an exact science, it's a guess for most of us, even those of us who might have a small clue as to where to look, we miss stuff. Sometimes people guess the other way.

 

I was pointing out a book that a well known seller with great feedback had for $850, when I was thinking of selling a copy at $250, and someone told me it should be less...well who knows? It's all guessing for me, sometimes I guess right, sometimes I don't. When something doesn't sell for a while, I'll put it on eBay for a 99 cent start and pray;)

 

 

.Then you have that old 1% lunatic fringe, here, on eBay and just about everywhere else. They just up the price to Infinity and Beyond;) But tha't sjust 1% or so.

 

We forget how many nice normal people there are in both places, because they don't make big splashes.

 

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I could cite a number of instances, but I will note one of late as I look though the sales threads for forum buying only and one in particular notes: Don't make me put it on EBay!

 

Really? Don't make you put it on EBay, where if were listed at no reserve you would get no where close to what you are asking from forum buyers?

 

I always assumed Forum boards are where you tried to sell things are bargain prices low enough to cut out things like the EBAY or Comic Links 10% for the middleman.

 

Please put it on EBay and stop trying to rip me off.....

 

I'm thinking about starting my own personal thread of outrageous selling attempts both on EBay ad the boards. Why is it on average that graded books on EBAY seem to be offered at vast premiums to known last sales. I realize this is not always true, but I'll post a few as I see them.

 

Can I boil all of that down to...I want my comics cheaper, goddammit. (shrug)

 

I think I can...

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While I see what you are pointing out on eBay with the high prices, it works the other way too. We've seen some big books get listed at way too low a price.

 

Same on the forum, sometimes things sell in seconds and 3 people have :takeit: posted at the same time.

 

The truth is, that pricing is not always an exact science, it's a guess for most of us, even those of us who might have a small clue as to where to look, we miss stuff. Sometimes people guess the other way.

 

I was pointing out a book that a well known seller with great feedback had for $850, when I was thinking of selling a copy at $250, and someone told me it should be less...well who knows? It's all guessing for me, sometimes I guess right, sometimes I don't. When something doesn't sell for a while, I'll put it on eBay for a 99 cent start and pray;)

 

 

.Then you have that old 1% lunatic fringe, here, on eBay and just about everywhere else. They just up the price to Infinity and Beyond;) But tha't sjust 1% or so.

 

We forget how many nice normal people there are in both places, because they don't make big splashes.

 

 

 

If you're going to sell something that is worth potentially 100s if not 1000s of dollars then its worth the 2-5 minutes of research on past sales on eBay at the very least for what a ballpark

price should be. 2c

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I price my slabbed books at around GPA, sometimes more.

 

Some books, I will price at the high end of GPA and just WAIT, til they sell.Got a Mad Love CGC 9.6, which I didn't bother pressing before I subbed it...I think it might geb a 9.8 if I CPR it.Had it graded at Baltimore onsite last year, have yet to even post it on eBay buut I won't put it up and take less than $300 for it.

 

 

Here is a prime example of sellers asking too much.

 

A boardie posted in the WTB section, a CGC 9.8 Justice League 69 CGC 9.8.(1992)...he said he is offering above GPA.Last sale was 3/2016 at $71.

 

I have a raw 9.8, if he is still looking for it by the time Wizard Philly comes around, I'll have it graded onsite at Wizard Philly and offer it to him at $75+ shipping.2 copies are on eBay, CGC 9.8's at $124.99 + shipping via BIN or best offer.The seller wants to get top dollar, not particularly bright on a book that is just a run issue.That is just greed and stupidity.

 

New/hot books...raw or slabbed, I will price at what I think is a fair price.

 

Example:

 

I picked up 4 raw Monstress #2's, all solid 9.8's.

 

Hot book, only 1 sale in 9.8 , at $129.Don't see any sellers offering raw 9.8 copies on eBay.Seems to be like they are using eBay to dump raw 9.0 to 9.4 at around $15.

 

I'll post up my raw 9.8's at $55 + shipping on eBay via BIN.They will probably sell thru by Wizard Philly....any copies I don't sell by then, I'll pay $25 per book and have slabbed at Wizard Philly....then post up here or on eBay at around $125.Maybe more, depending on demand.

 

Another hot book (more like a book that is currently undervalued but will explode soon enough IMO)....I snagged a few copies of is Justice League 42.

 

Joker's ID revealed to Batman (Quinnones variant).

 

No sales of the variant in GPA yet, one sale...last time I checked of the regular cover at around $75, IIRC)...I'll price any NM copies (with color breaks, not pressable to 9.8's) at $40.

 

I think I have 1 or 2 9.8 candidates....daddy wants fiddy bucks a pop on each raw 9.8 and $30 for raw 9.4 to 9.6 copies...will probably just slab the raw 9.8's at Philly because the book hasn't really popped yet and post up the sub 9.8's on eBay or on here.

 

I am not going to price raw books on here for ANY LESS than I will, over on eBay.

 

Reason being that I don't grade softly and ensure my books arrive to the buyer, as pictured.

 

If I grade a book as a raw 9.8....I make sure it is unquestionably going to grade out by CGC at 9.8.

 

This means, if there are any color breaking spine ticks...and it looks like it will *more than likely* grade out by CGC at 9.8....I will press the book before scanning it and posting it for sale.

 

Hell, last time I posted a stack of raw 9.8 books on eBay was 5 copies of Preacher 42.I pressed all 5.sold thru all 5 copies at $40-$45 each....except the last copy, which I ended the listing on before it sold.

 

I got positive feedback from all 4 buyers.

 

About 2 months ago, I came across a Preacher 42 CGC 9.8 in auction on eBay.It ended at about $80...I noticed the sellers' eBay ID, "evilslacker", as one of the buyers on my raw 9.8 listings.

 

Shows that eBay sucks balls for auctions, 99% of the time.That is a weak price and he would have gotten much more if he put it up via BIN and waited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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re is a book that I actually want but can't swallow the price:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-58-CGC-8-5-OW-W-PAGES-CLASSIC-KIRBY-MONSTER-WESTERN-SUPER-SCARCE/291754055289?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D1c8df7aaeb784d2591b4d48be9fba070%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291754046753

 

This guy is clever , however,. He e-mails me offering the books at some outrageous price. I tell him I'm not interested at the price and he says he is actually going to keep them. Less than 24 hours later he says he is going to list this along with a TGK59 in 9.0. Hell sell them to me both for "just " $1800.

 

The last GPA sale on a 58 in 9.0 was $400. a 7.5 did sell for $325.Nevertheless the tactics this guy has taken is to tell me he has sold similar copies top CGC borides for what would be very inflated prices making these offers quite competitive. Problem is you can not verify a sale unless it is in public domain, which these were not.

 

But the BIBN is $1300 and the starting bid is $1000.The 59 shown below last had a sale at $305. This ask starts at $650 with an $850 BIN,

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-59-CGC-9-0-WHITE-PAGES-KIRBY-COVER-AND-ART-HIGHEST-GRADED-SCARCE/291754046753?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3Db162006c9d1448f5a4a0d050a8827e5e%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D291754055289%26clkid%3D5179659926094329580&_qi=RTM2247626

 

He jas already dropped the price by $150 or so on the 59 is less than 24 hours. I doubt either will sell at these prices.

 

But these types of sales are clever in that, yes, these books are tough to find, but if you can just get a GPA sale to price the book at 2X the last sale the value of the book and other similar books "appears" to be more valuable.

 

The only true discovery of market value is an auction like Heritage or CLink where the highest bidder sets the price. I view these books as traps to try and draw a guy like me in that really does want them. I just can't swallow the price.

 

 

 

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re is a book that IO actually want but can't swallow the price:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-58-CGC-8-5-OW-W-PAGES-CLASSIC-KIRBY-MONSTER-WESTERN-SUPER-SCARCE/291754055289?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D1c8df7aaeb784d2591b4d48be9fba070%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291754046753

 

This guy is clever , however,. He e-mails me offering the books at some outrageous price. I tell him I'm not interested at the price and he says he is actually going to keep them. Less than 24 hours later he says he is going to list this along with a TGK59 in 9.0. Hell sell them to me both for "just " $1800.

 

The last GPA sale on a 58 in 9.0 was $400. a 7.5 did sell for $325.Nevertheless the tactics this guy has taken is to tell me he has sold similar copies top CGC borides for what would be very inflated prices making these offers quite competitive. Problem is you can not verify a sale unless it is in public domain, which these were not.

 

But the BIBN is $1300 and the starting bid is $1000.The 59 shown below last had a sale at $305. This ask starts at $650 with an $850 BIN,

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-59-CGC-9-0-WHITE-PAGES-KIRBY-COVER-AND-ART-HIGHEST-GRADED-SCARCE/291754046753?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3Db162006c9d1448f5a4a0d050a8827e5e%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D291754055289%26clkid%3D5179659926094329580&_qi=RTM2247626

 

He jas already dropped the price by $150 or so on the 59 is less than 24 hours. I doubt either will sell at these prices.

 

But these types of sales are clever in that, yes, these books are tough to find, but if you can just get a GPA sale to price the book at 2X the last sale the value of the book and other similar books "appears" to be more valuable.

 

The only true discovery of market value is an auction like Heritage or CLink where the highest bidder sets the price. I view these books as traps to try and draw a guy like me in that really does want them. I just can't swallow the price.

 

 

I'm in the same boat sometimes, Glenn

 

Great thread by the way! :applause:

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re is a book that I actually want but can't swallow the price:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-58-CGC-8-5-OW-W-PAGES-CLASSIC-KIRBY-MONSTER-WESTERN-SUPER-SCARCE/291754055289?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D1c8df7aaeb784d2591b4d48be9fba070%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291754046753

 

This guy is clever , however,. He e-mails me offering the books at some outrageous price. I tell him I'm not interested at the price and he says he is actually going to keep them. Less than 24 hours later he says he is going to list this along with a TGK59 in 9.0. Hell sell them to me both for "just " $1800.

 

The last GPA sale on a 58 in 9.0 was $400. a 7.5 did sell for $325.Nevertheless the tactics this guy has taken is to tell me he has sold similar copies top CGC borides for what would be very inflated prices making these offers quite competitive. Problem is you can not verify a sale unless it is in public domain, which these were not.

 

But the BIBN is $1300 and the starting bid is $1000.The 59 shown below last had a sale at $305. This ask starts at $650 with an $850 BIN,

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-GUN-KID-59-CGC-9-0-WHITE-PAGES-KIRBY-COVER-AND-ART-HIGHEST-GRADED-SCARCE/291754046753?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3Db162006c9d1448f5a4a0d050a8827e5e%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D291754055289%26clkid%3D5179659926094329580&_qi=RTM2247626

 

He jas already dropped the price by $150 or so on the 59 is less than 24 hours. I doubt either will sell at these prices.

 

But these types of sales are clever in that, yes, these books are tough to find, but if you can just get a GPA sale to price the book at 2X the last sale the value of the book and other similar books "appears" to be more valuable.

 

The only true discovery of market value is an auction like Heritage or CLink where the highest bidder sets the price. I view these books as traps to try and draw a guy like me in that really does want them. I just can't swallow the price.

 

 

 

The seller sounds like a bit of a tool, based on how he tried to play you...that'd leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

It is very hard to figure out pricing on a lot of Marvel westerns.If you just want to look at GPA on this book, you have to consider more than just what GPA shows but also WHERE the books were sold.

 

If the books were sold on eBay and NOT on CC,CL or heritage, you likely are not seeing their fair market value, EVEN if the books were sold via auction style.

 

A book like this...well, virtually any book, actually...will likely get considerably higher bids on CL,CC or Heritage.

 

eBay is not a good selling venue, as far as auctions go.

 

And also, factor in that GPA only shows 4 sales of this book, across the board.

 

Late Atlas & Marvel westerns have been picking up over the past couple years, as they should.The 9.0 that sold for $408 was from 2010....and the other 3 sales in GPA are also all over the place.For those who don;y have GPA, I am posting the 4 sales below.

 

That said, I certainly agree with you in that establishing FMV on a book like this, can really only be done via a CL,CC or Heritage auction.

 

 

 

 

No. 58, Volume 1, 1st print, Marvel Comics/Atlas Comics (1962)

 

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Notes 2014 Avg 2015 Avg 12Mnth Avg 90Day Avg Last Sale

 

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( 9.0 ) - - - - $408 May-2010

 

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( 7.5 ) (1) $154 (1) $325 (1) $325 - $325 Dec-2015

 

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( 7.0 ) - - (1) $300 - $300 Feb-2016

 

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( 6.5 ) (1) $150 - - - $150 Sep-2014

 

 

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