PGM Amazing Fantasy #15 0

[silverweb]

Nice! The front cover looks like a 7.0 and the back a 3.0. So, average it out to 4.5

 

As far as trimming, AF 15s can look like it but they may turn out to be untrimmed.

 

I would bet this one is not trimmed.

 

So, for fun, people should first make their best guesses regarding grade and restoration before you send it in to CGC and tell us the outcome!

 

 

[Mrs Muggins-migration]

 

Also, if one edge is trimmed, and obviously so, what is to stop you from carefully tearing the edge to remove the trim. That would then be treated as an unrestored book wouldn't it? Seems drastic, but the difference in restored and unrestored price wise is huge. You could pass it off as marvel chipping.

 

Realizing you are correct, it is sad because it's probably been done. It's this kind of thinking that scares me about the hobby. Trying to fool CGC is the new game. I would hope you drop any further discussion about this. We don't need to educate folks about hiding restoration. BTW, I agree that the book looks trimmed. One, look, before I saw any comments, I said to myself that right edge is trimmed. Sorry.

 

Oh, I feel like I've upset you Bob. Sorry if so, it wasn't my intention. I did say I would never do it, and money is of no interest to me, I just was intrigued by the notion and thought a discussion board would be the place to debate it. But I can see your point so, again, sorry if I upset you. Mags

 

No problem. I did note you said you would never do it so my comments were not personal, no anger . Yes, this is the place to talk about it but, IMO, it is just not the ethical think to do. Trust me, any ideas from a discussion would be implemented, somebody would try it. I just know I would be mad if I purchased a book that had been manipulated to fool CGC. I just don't feel a discussion would be proper. Thanks for the response.

 

Even more sad is I recently saw a AF 15 purchased on eBay that was a graded blue 1.0, but about 1/3 of the cover was cut off. The purchaser basically parted the book out, and now is selling blue NG pages on eBay from that copy. I am sure of this because the NG damaged cover only (obviously the cover to the 1.0) was sold by the same seller, who is now selling pages. Once a page or cover cover is graded as incomplete cover only NG blue, does CGC even look for restoration?

 

I saw that. Don't like it. Unfortunately, since CGC is willing to encapsulate a single page, we are going to see more of this. Assuming CGC did not envision this scenario I hope they can reconsider. Tearing up the book for more profit should not be encouraged.

 

Bob, I agree with you personally. I would no more deface a comic than I would cut a finger off. Both are too precious to me. But a key point, if I may play Devils Advocate, is that it's my comic and the decision as to what happens to it is mine alone. Now, let's say the person who sold the 1.0 graded comic did so to feed their kids. The buyer was also on his uppers and saw a chance to make some money. The profit he made paid his rent for a month. All the page buyers were given a rare opportunity to own a page of AF15. It's all they could afford. So everyone ends up happy and the world has just one whole, visually poor AF15 comic less than it did beforehand. Is that really such a disaster when there are so many copies in existence? And, with all due respect, what does it have to do with anyone but those who owned or now own a part of it?

 

I don't think it has anything to do with anyone but the buyer/seller but Bob is an advocate for preserving the hobby's integrity. I think most of us on the boards feel the exact same way. When it gets to a point where you cannot trust anyone enough to buy a book, things have gone too far.

 

Integrity is very important and I salute anyone who defends it. In my experience, most people have it. Certainly the vast majority of people I have dealt with have had it. There are always rotten apples though. I ignore them. It sounds like you have had a few bad experiences but that's life. I do however think we shouldn't judge everyone so harshly. In the case of the CGC 1.0 and subsequent split up, I don't see it as a big deal. It's a low grade copy and the buyer made the most of what he had. Good for him / her. Looking at the sales, it's clear there's a market for pages. The buyer's of the pages will no doubt be happy with their purchases. The seller has made more money than he would have selling the complete low grade copy. Calling into question the integrity of those involved is a little unfair I think. People are important too. If any of the buyer's or sellers read this post, their hearts would likely sink. They might be great people. We should all try to be a little more kind I feel.

 

Meanwhile, thanks to all who have volunteered grades. I appreciate it.

 

And Bob, I'm sure if we met we'd get along famously if through nothing more than a love of comics. So here's another bunch to ensure we end on a kind note

[BlowUpTheMoon]

Integrity is very important and I salute anyone who defends it. In my experience, most people have it. Certainly the vast majority of people I have dealt with have had it. There are always rotten apples though. I ignore them.

 

Since the OP was a shill, can we assume he never had this book?

[Glassman10]

OK, I'm the first to admit my ignorance but if a reprint is done of something like an AF 15 and then the mode turns to cutting up books for single pages, How is one to tell if a book is original, or simply a reprint? I appreciate the education. Something must give it away.

[grebal]

^Were there any reprints that were exact reproductions including the precise match of little numbers in the corners?

 

Moonie, sounds like you are right.