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[Aces]

I sure am getting tired of sellers pushing Qualified (green label) books with missing pages as anything other than what they really are. This particular defect is not open to debate. Books with missing pages (story or non-story) are POOR. It doesn't matter whether it received a grade of Qualified 9.0 or Qualified 2.0.

 

Attention all potential buyers: if a book is missing one or more pages, it's in POOR condition (that's CGC 0.5 for you young'uns out there).

 

 

I've never heard of a Qualified 2.0. It goes against the principal of Qualified: a major defect on an otherwise high grade book.

 

You're saying a book that would grade out as a 9.8 White Page is in the same condition of a Universal 0.5, which could include a missing page in ADDITION to a myriad of accumulated defects such as major tears, brown/brittle pages, extensive writing on the covers and inside, detached cover etc etc etc. So a book with all of these aforementioned defects would be the same as a 9.8W with a missing page?

 

 

There's 0.5 Qualified - Married covers or Incomplete books can garner that.

 

For example:

 

Certification #: 0151899001

Title: Amazing Fantasy

Issue: 15

Issue Date: 8/62

Issue Year: 1962

Publisher: Marvel Comics

Grade: 0.5

Pedigree: INCOMPLETE

Page Quality: OFF-WHITE

Label Text: STAPLES REPLACED. (Last page missing does not affect story. Moderate amount of tape on cover & interior.) INCOMPLETE.

Grade Date: 04/16/2008

Category: Qualified

Art Comments: Stan Lee story

Steve Ditko art

Jack Kirby cover

Key Comments: Origin & 1st appearance of Spider-Man

(Peter Parker).

1st appearance of Uncle Ben & Aunt May.

 

That makes no sense to me. Aunt May and Uncle Ben first appeared in STRANGE TALES 97!

 

I have to wonder if CGC mislabeled that as a Qualified. It makes absolutely no sense to have a 0.5 Green Label.

Those were Aunt May and Uncle Ben prototypes in ST 97, not the actual characters.

 

[PovertyRow]

That makes no sense to me. Aunt May and Uncle Ben first appeared in STRANGE TALES 97!

 

I have to wonder if CGC mislabeled that as a Qualified. It makes absolutely no sense to have a 0.5 Green Label.

Those were Aunt May and Uncle Ben prototypes in ST 97, not the actual characters.

 

Actually we may never know. Their last names were not used in ST 97. But they were most definitely called Aunt May and Uncle Ben. while, as I recall, Ben had a mustache he looked pretty similar to the AF15 Uncle Ben. And Aunt May was a dead ringer for the AF15 Aunt May.

 

Who knows? Considering they took in Linda in ST97, and they took in Peter in AF15, they seem more closely related. I think they ended up moving away from the sea as the ocean air was getting to Uncle Ben's arthritis.

[Speedy-D]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

[miraclemet]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

[paperheart]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

maybe he was talking about the price

[Speedy-D]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

maybe he was talking about the price

And beyond that, just talk about sucking the joy out of this stuff.

[EC ed]

And beyond that, just talk about sucking the joy out of this stuff.

That has definitely been maximized...

[miraclemet]

Next level GPA abuse:

 

list "last GPA sale" but not mention that it was a pedigree (when you are selling a non-pedigree)

 

Amazing...

[Columbia Comics]

Sounds to me like a "buyer beware" type of situation...

 

And frankly, I'd probably never have the stones to put a 9.6 on any Silver Age book....esp. given the current environment at CGC :shrug:

[accessndx]

Yep, what Brock said...it's pretty ballsy to be putting a 9.6 on anything including some moderns these days. CGC will bean you for a slightly oxidized staple let alone some of the other issues with silver aged comics....sheesh.

Plus I still feel that quoting GPA prices on raws is just plain wrong. If you're paying for anything with a slab, its at least somewhat of a guarantee relating to the grade. Before it's been slabbed it's highly subjective and definitely not guaranteed. It takes some gall to put up prices even higher than the GPA on a raw.

[Number 6]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

[mschmidt]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

 

He means "I would rather overgrade than undergrade".

[DiceX]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

 

He means "I would rather overgrade than undergrade".

 

I should buy one of the ones with the coupon on the BC, get it in hand and fill out the coupon then mail it back for a refund.

It's technically in the same condition as received.

 

 

[Number 6]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

 

He means "I would rather overgrade than undergrade".

 

I went back and re-read his statement - you're right.

 

Which is odd. If the books are "maximized"(over-graded) how do they have grade bump potential from pressing as he claims?

[Speedy-D]

He wants your money.

[DiceX]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

 

He means "I would rather overgrade than undergrade".

 

I went back and re-read his statement - you're right.

 

Which is odd. If the books are "maximized"(over-graded) how do they have grade bump potential from pressing as he claims?

 

Because they're already graded, and priced, at the post-pressed level. Don't you see? It's brilliant!

 

 

[miraclemet]

if everyone started posting sales threads like this I think I'd have a seizure...

 

SLAB TIME

 

-- Savage She-Hulk #1 CGC 9.8 $70

-- Marvel Secret Wars #8 CGC 9.8 $100

-- NM #98 CGC 9.4 $130

-- New Teen Titans #2 CGC 9.2 $70

-- NM #87 CGC 8.5 $40

-- Knights of the Dinner Table #3 CGC 8.5 $100 ( I will throw in around 20 raw readers of this series as well) They can be looked at in this link: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/deafguybullies/library/Knights%20of%20the%20dinner%20table?sort=3&page=1

 

[pickycollector]

now we've got to press books to reach the grades advertised in a sales thread?

link?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

Yeesh. He's also got the PP 3%, and prices 25% above his own quoted GPA.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6808769#Post6808769

 

*sigh*

*shiver*

 

I dont understand what "Please keep in mind the books are pretty much maximized." means....

 

that sounds like they are pressed, but then he suggests they could be improved with pressing. What does "maximized" mean?

 

He could mean that the pictures of the books are maximized in size, therefore the obvious defects that are jumping out at everybody look worse in the pictures then they actually do in hand.

 

I'm not defending the seller's style of listing, just taking a stab at what he means.

 

He means "I would rather overgrade than undergrade".

 

I went back and re-read his statement - you're right.

 

Which is odd. If the books are "maximized"(over-graded) how do they have grade bump potential from pressing as he claims?

 

Because they're already graded, and priced, at the post-pressed level. Don't you see? It's brilliant!

 

Moreover, if somebody had bought the Showcase #36 or the DD #4, the only thing he would have need to do after he gets your money was to purchase the book!

[Speedy-D]

Honest to God, I'm having trouble not thread crapping all the time!

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6811220

[DiceX]

Honest to God, I'm having trouble not thread crapping all the time!

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6811220

 

What's wrong with that one?