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[EC ed]

I guess that in the end there is likely to be some friction between those of us who are mainly collectors that do a little selling and those who are mainly dealers, although they may also collect.

I hear you...I'm pretty much a straight up collector...when I sell stuff, it's either because I've upgraded, or I've decided to no longer collect something...so, I tend to fall more on the "board flipping is annoying" side of things. However, I've seen the debates about this on here before, and I understand both sides of the argument. Also, I've come to understand that it's just part of the current landscape.

 

edited this in from a post below, and deleted the post below (just to preserve coherency):

 

I don't find it annoying at all if, say, a dealer buys a book here then flips it "out in the wild" somewhere for more $$.

 

What I mean by "board flipping" is buying a book here in one sales thread, then turning around and selling the same book here in one's own subsequent sales thread to earn a spread. But again, as long as one follows the wisdom of "always be happy with your sales price", I suppose even this shouldn't be annoying.

 

Edited February 7, 2014 by edowens71

[Park]

I sell a book as a 7.0 and low and behold it reappears as a "9.2" with no evidence of being pressed. No problem really, I am glad someone thinks I undergrade

Just bothers me that the same person complained that I can't grade, so I refunded him all his money for this lot (including the magic 9.2 book) and told him to keep the books I want him to be happy.

He then bumps it to a 9.2 and flips it here on the boards (it is in the same mylar and full back i sent him so i know it is the same book)

Still not a problem, but he paints a bad picture of me in my WTB thread as 'blocking him" unnecessarily.

For the record, I believe I have a good reason to block him.

 

Deja vu.

 

He did the same thing to me. Complained about books being inaccurately graded, wanted a partial refund. I only had a few dollars in the books (dollar box finds) and the transaction wasn't for a whole lot of money (less than 50 bucks) so I agreed on a partial instead of a return and full refund. I suggested 10 or 15, he wanted 20. I said ok whatever, just to be done with it. I make a WTB thread, he can't figure out why I blocked him after I didn't want to make an offer on his books sight unseen. Reading his posts in this thread and seeing other people's thoughts about him just my confirmed my suspicions as a character to avoid.

 

Now 4 confirmed cases.

 

 

It's the one of the oldest scams in collectibles mail order. It's called a lot of things but "profit padding" and "grade spreading" are two.

 

Simply put, buyer agrees to price and buys item. Buyer gets item, then complains about grade, condition, etc. in order to squeeze a partial refund out of the seller. They prey upon the seller not wanting to deal with return shipping, reselling, having a customer complain, etc. to swing the deal further in their favor. Then the buyer takes the item and puts it back up for sale with a higher price and higher grade than it was original sold to them and far higher in grade and price than the original seller had them.

 

Normally buyer's perpetrating this type of scam do not get caught because they A) re-sell on a large forum like Ebay with millions of items, or B) find an entirely different venue from the original purchase in order to avoid being discovered ( the don't eat where you mess principle.)

 

NP jumped the gun refunding all the money, that's true. And GIJOE prob. thought he won the lotto. That doesn't undo the underlying problem with how he did it. Of course he repaid NP now....he already resold one of the books for 135% of what he paid for the entire lot!

 

Claiming overgrading and then reselling the items with a higher grade than originally listed is pretty friggin' dishonest but it's nothing new in collectible. Normally the scammer is careful to cover his tracks, however.

 

It doesn't matter now though. He made it right.

 

After he was caught. And of course tried the "it could have been another copy" ploy.

 

And the "but I am a great guy and there is just enough plausibility in my story" spiel.

 

And the "I can pretty much spin it anyway I want because the seller deleted the PM's" trick.

 

I am less worried about the newbie scammers around this place than I am the established (or semi) board members that are "buddies" with people constantly pulling this same type of BS.

 

GIJOE isn't the first and he definitely won't be the last.

[comix4fun]

Claiming overgrading and then reselling the items with a higher grade than originally listed is pretty friggin' dishonest but it's nothing new in collectible. Normally the scammer is careful to cover his tracks, however.

 

The however seems to be getting pretty clear.

 

I claimed that two Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade, and that I would review the box when I returned home. In the exact same post, I also said I was happy with the box overall.

 

 

 

What did you grade the MP 48's at in your sales thread before you removed the reference to them? I saw before you had made mention of them, and now that mention is gone except for the last post where you mention one sold.

 

So how do they grade now?

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

Claiming overgrading and then reselling the items with a higher grade than originally listed is pretty friggin' dishonest but it's nothing new in collectible. Normally the scammer is careful to cover his tracks, however.

 

The however seems to be getting pretty clear.

 

I claimed that two Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade, and that I would review the box when I returned home. In the exact same post, I also said I was happy with the box overall.

 

 

 

What did you grade the MP 48's at in your sales thread before you removed the reference to them? I saw before you had made mention of them, and now that mention is gone except for the last post where you mention one sold.

 

So how do they grade now?

 

I said that they ranged from fine minus (5.5) to 9.0 or so. And BTW, I did buy a fairly nice copy off of THE_BEYONDER.

 

I'm not here to scam people. I'm not. I never will be. I'm not caught because there is nothing to catch me doing. There really isn't. I don't even have any comics worth more than $100 or so.

[comix4fun]

Claiming overgrading and then reselling the items with a higher grade than originally listed is pretty friggin' dishonest but it's nothing new in collectible. Normally the scammer is careful to cover his tracks, however.

 

The however seems to be getting pretty clear.

 

I claimed that two Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade, and that I would review the box when I returned home. In the exact same post, I also said I was happy with the box overall.

 

 

 

What did you grade the MP 48's at in your sales thread before you removed the reference to them? I saw before you had made mention of them, and now that mention is gone except for the last post where you mention one sold.

 

So how do they grade now?

 

I said that they ranged from fine minus (5.5) to 9.0 or so. And BTW, I did buy a fairly nice copy off of THE_BEYONDER.

 

I'm not here to scam people. I'm not. I never will be. I'm not caught because there is nothing to catch me doing. There really isn't. I don't even have any comics worth more than $100 or so.

 

 

And NP listed them at 4.0 to 8.0.

[crassus]

I guess that in the end there is likely to be some friction between those of us who are mainly collectors that do a little selling and those who are mainly dealers, although they may also collect.

I hear you...I'm pretty much a straight up collector...when I sell stuff, it's either because I've upgraded, or I've decided to no longer collect something...so, I tend to fall more on the "board flipping is annoying" side of things. However, I've seen the debates about this on here before, and I understand both sides of the argument. Also, I've come to understand that it's just part of the current landscape.

 

 

I'm one who doesn't understand the problem. Ed, if you bought a book from me say at $50 because I'm liquidating books and in a hurry to get cash, and you realize the book is worth considerably more to the right buyer, why would you feel obligated to resell it for only $50?

 

There is neither sin in seeking profit nor is there any exclusive right of "dealers" to buy cheap and sell dear. Its a free market for everyone. That is the beauty of it, and that it is a free market likely contributes to the volume and variety of books available for you to collect.

[faster friends]

I guess that in the end there is likely to be some friction between those of us who are mainly collectors that do a little selling and those who are mainly dealers, although they may also collect.

I hear you...I'm pretty much a straight up collector...when I sell stuff, it's either because I've upgraded, or I've decided to no longer collect something...so, I tend to fall more on the "board flipping is annoying" side of things. However, I've seen the debates about this on here before, and I understand both sides of the argument. Also, I've come to understand that it's just part of the current landscape.

 

 

I'm one who doesn't understand the problem. Ed, if you bought a book from me say at $50 because I'm liquidating books and in a hurry to get cash, and you realize the book is worth considerably more to the right buyer, why would you feel obligated to resell it for only $50?

 

There is neither sin in seeking profit nor is there any exclusive right of "dealers" to buy cheap and sell dear. Its a free market for everyone. That is the beauty of it, and that it is a free market likely contributes to the volume and variety of books available for you to collect.

 

+1 I don't see the issue here. I routinely sell books at less than market price just to turn them quickly.

[awakeintheashes]

<------------ quickly puts all of his MOS 18 back in the long box.

[seanfingh]

Claiming overgrading and then reselling the items with a higher grade than originally listed is pretty friggin' dishonest but it's nothing new in collectible. Normally the scammer is careful to cover his tracks, however.

 

The however seems to be getting pretty clear.

 

I claimed that two Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade, and that I would review the box when I returned home. In the exact same post, I also said I was happy with the box overall.

 

 

 

What did you grade the MP 48's at in your sales thread before you removed the reference to them? I saw before you had made mention of them, and now that mention is gone except for the last post where you mention one sold.

 

So how do they grade now?

 

I said that they ranged from fine minus (5.5) to 9.0 or so. And BTW, I did buy a fairly nice copy off of THE_BEYONDER.

 

I'm not here to scam people. I'm not. I never will be. I'm not caught because there is nothing to catch me doing. There really isn't. I don't even have any comics worth more than $100 or so.

 

You got caught working the grade spread. Oldest trick in the book. Buy a 7.0, beat the guy down, call it a 9.0 - Yay, monies!

 

The most troubling part is that you don't have enough sense to not do it the same place you pulled the grift.

 

The lure of fee-free selling pulls like a black hole, and apparently saps 40 IQ points.

[EC ed]

I'm one who doesn't understand the problem. Ed, if you bought a book from me say at $50 because I'm liquidating books and in a hurry to get cash, and you realize the book is worth considerably more to the right buyer, why would you feel obligated to resell it for only $50?

 

There is neither sin in seeking profit nor is there any exclusive right of "dealers" to buy cheap and sell dear. Its a free market for everyone. That is the beauty of it, and that it is a free market likely contributes to the volume and variety of books available for you to collect.

 

I get it...I agree with what you are saying...no problem. Thus, this:

 

But again, as long as one follows the wisdom of "always be happy with your sales price", I suppose even this shouldn't be annoying.

 

[mschmidt]

Anyone have any experience with a Jason Sloven of Bayside New York?

 

He wanted to trade me for my DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8 for a Hulk 181 raw.

 

I told him to give me money instead. He said no. I said give me money and the Hulk 181 he said he wanted some kind of security.

 

So I sent the book with tracking, all the while getting annoying e-mails when I don't respond within 20 minutes to his e-mails. e-mails like this

 

"???"

 

So anyways, today I get this message.

 

"Hey just wanted to let you know I have to open a claim with paypal. The usps website says the package was delivered at about 3pm but the mail already arrived and I did not receive anything and no packages were at my door. Thanks"

 

Discuss.

To me if a book being sent is as expensive as a Hulk 181 I would of definitely added Signature Confirmation. But that's just me. Sorry Jimmy

 

The book was $250.

 

I mention the hulk181 only because why would you trade a hulk 181 for a DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8?

 

Jimmy $250 is enough to add Signature. PayPal encourages it.

 

I don't know what DC presents 47 is. Sorry. Not much of a DC fan

 

When did paypal demand signature protection for purchases of $250 USD or above or $330 Canadian?

 

They gave him a refund within 20 minutes of me providing the tracking information.

 

This is wildly_fanciful_statement.

 

Money has been taken out of my account.

 

Tracking: CX508239617CA

 

It's been that way for at least 5 years.

 

It's clearly spelled out in numerous places on both eBay and Paypal, and they even preselect Signature Confirmation on the eBay shipping form when you try to ship an item that sold for $250 or more.

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

I would like to clarify, I stated that 2 of the Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade. NOT Marvel Premiere 47. I also stated in the same post to wait until I got home for further detail. A few seconds after I posted that in out PM (literally, seconds) I realized that might had made it sound as if I wasn't happy with our transaction, so i instantly edited in "but I'm ok with the box overall"

 

 

NP Gresham had not even viewed the PM yet.

Edited February 7, 2014 by GIJOEISAWESOME

[Old Fashion PB and J]

I guess that in the end there is likely to be some friction between those of us who are mainly collectors that do a little selling and those who are mainly dealers, although they may also collect.

I hear you...I'm pretty much a straight up collector...when I sell stuff, it's either because I've upgraded, or I've decided to no longer collect something...so, I tend to fall more on the "board flipping is annoying" side of things. However, I've seen the debates about this on here before, and I understand both sides of the argument. Also, I've come to understand that it's just part of the current landscape.

 

 

I'm one who doesn't understand the problem. Ed, if you bought a book from me say at $50 because I'm liquidating books and in a hurry to get cash, and you realize the book is worth considerably more to the right buyer, why would you feel obligated to resell it for only $50?

 

There is neither sin in seeking profit nor is there any exclusive right of "dealers" to buy cheap and sell dear. Its a free market for everyone. That is the beauty of it, and that it is a free market likely contributes to the volume and variety of books available for you to collect.

The issue has always been with people trying to get a deal in any way and then resell here at a higher price, effectively rubbing the original sellers nose in it. And the debate is very old, I have never cared for in forum flips, I have always seen them as poor form. For awhile some of us even entertained how long should there be posession before flipping on the boards. But again, I never cared for it, and try to avoid dealing with those who do this.

[Jimmy Linguini]

Anyone have any experience with a Jason Sloven of Bayside New York?

 

He wanted to trade me for my DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8 for a Hulk 181 raw.

 

I told him to give me money instead. He said no. I said give me money and the Hulk 181 he said he wanted some kind of security.

 

So I sent the book with tracking, all the while getting annoying e-mails when I don't respond within 20 minutes to his e-mails. e-mails like this

 

"???"

 

So anyways, today I get this message.

 

"Hey just wanted to let you know I have to open a claim with paypal. The usps website says the package was delivered at about 3pm but the mail already arrived and I did not receive anything and no packages were at my door. Thanks"

 

Discuss.

To me if a book being sent is as expensive as a Hulk 181 I would of definitely added Signature Confirmation. But that's just me. Sorry Jimmy

 

The book was $250.

 

I mention the hulk181 only because why would you trade a hulk 181 for a DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8?

 

Jimmy $250 is enough to add Signature. PayPal encourages it.

 

I don't know what DC presents 47 is. Sorry. Not much of a DC fan

 

When did paypal demand signature protection for purchases of $250 USD or above or $330 Canadian?

 

They gave him a refund within 20 minutes of me providing the tracking information.

 

This is wildly_fanciful_statement.

 

Money has been taken out of my account.

 

Tracking: CX508239617CA

 

It's been that way for at least 5 years.

 

It's clearly spelled out in numerous places on both eBay and Paypal, and they even preselect Signature Confirmation on the eBay shipping form when you try to ship an item that sold for $250 or more.

 

Yeah, it wasn't on ebay. I wish it was on ebay.

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

I guess that in the end there is likely to be some friction between those of us who are mainly collectors that do a little selling and those who are mainly dealers, although they may also collect.

I hear you...I'm pretty much a straight up collector...when I sell stuff, it's either because I've upgraded, or I've decided to no longer collect something...so, I tend to fall more on the "board flipping is annoying" side of things. However, I've seen the debates about this on here before, and I understand both sides of the argument. Also, I've come to understand that it's just part of the current landscape.

 

 

I'm one who doesn't understand the problem. Ed, if you bought a book from me say at $50 because I'm liquidating books and in a hurry to get cash, and you realize the book is worth considerably more to the right buyer, why would you feel obligated to resell it for only $50?

 

There is neither sin in seeking profit nor is there any exclusive right of "dealers" to buy cheap and sell dear. Its a free market for everyone. That is the beauty of it, and that it is a free market likely contributes to the volume and variety of books available for you to collect.

The issue has always been with people trying to get a deal in any way and then resell here at a higher price, effectively rubbing the original sellers nose in it. And the debate is very old, I have never cared for in forum flips, I have always seen them as poor form. For awhile some of us even entertained how long should there be posession before flipping on the boards. But again, I never cared for it, and try to avoid dealing with those who do this.

 

I agree with this. At the same time tho, I did not buy this to flip it, I bought it for my own collection. I would keep the best 48, and sell of the 3 48 under copies. Then something came up. I now owe a substantial amount of money due to a medical issue on Monday, so I began listing many books, even books I wanted to keep-including these.

[mschmidt]

Anyone have any experience with a Jason Sloven of Bayside New York?

 

He wanted to trade me for my DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8 for a Hulk 181 raw.

 

I told him to give me money instead. He said no. I said give me money and the Hulk 181 he said he wanted some kind of security.

 

So I sent the book with tracking, all the while getting annoying e-mails when I don't respond within 20 minutes to his e-mails. e-mails like this

 

"???"

 

So anyways, today I get this message.

 

"Hey just wanted to let you know I have to open a claim with paypal. The usps website says the package was delivered at about 3pm but the mail already arrived and I did not receive anything and no packages were at my door. Thanks"

 

Discuss.

To me if a book being sent is as expensive as a Hulk 181 I would of definitely added Signature Confirmation. But that's just me. Sorry Jimmy

 

The book was $250.

 

I mention the hulk181 only because why would you trade a hulk 181 for a DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8?

 

Jimmy $250 is enough to add Signature. PayPal encourages it.

 

I don't know what DC presents 47 is. Sorry. Not much of a DC fan

 

When did paypal demand signature protection for purchases of $250 USD or above or $330 Canadian?

 

They gave him a refund within 20 minutes of me providing the tracking information.

 

This is wildly_fanciful_statement.

 

Money has been taken out of my account.

 

Tracking: CX508239617CA

 

It's been that way for at least 5 years.

 

It's clearly spelled out in numerous places on both eBay and Paypal, and they even preselect Signature Confirmation on the eBay shipping form when you try to ship an item that sold for $250 or more.

 

Yeah, it wasn't on ebay. I wish it was on ebay.

 

If you use Paypal's shipping form, it's the same thing.

[mschmidt]

I would like to clarify, I stated that 2 of the Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade. NOT Marvel Premiere 47. I also stated in the same post to wait until I got home for further detail..

 

Just trying to get this straight ...

 

You bought 2 copies of MP #48 from Gresham and complained to him that they were overgraded. But in your latest sales thread those copies were listed at a higher grade than the one Gresham originally assigned?

[Jimmy Linguini]

Anyone have any experience with a Jason Sloven of Bayside New York?

 

He wanted to trade me for my DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8 for a Hulk 181 raw.

 

I told him to give me money instead. He said no. I said give me money and the Hulk 181 he said he wanted some kind of security.

 

So I sent the book with tracking, all the while getting annoying e-mails when I don't respond within 20 minutes to his e-mails. e-mails like this

 

"???"

 

So anyways, today I get this message.

 

"Hey just wanted to let you know I have to open a claim with paypal. The usps website says the package was delivered at about 3pm but the mail already arrived and I did not receive anything and no packages were at my door. Thanks"

 

Discuss.

To me if a book being sent is as expensive as a Hulk 181 I would of definitely added Signature Confirmation. But that's just me. Sorry Jimmy

 

The book was $250.

 

I mention the hulk181 only because why would you trade a hulk 181 for a DC Presents 47 CGC 9.8?

 

Jimmy $250 is enough to add Signature. PayPal encourages it.

 

I don't know what DC presents 47 is. Sorry. Not much of a DC fan

 

When did paypal demand signature protection for purchases of $250 USD or above or $330 Canadian?

 

They gave him a refund within 20 minutes of me providing the tracking information.

 

This is wildly_fanciful_statement.

 

Money has been taken out of my account.

 

Tracking: CX508239617CA

 

It's been that way for at least 5 years.

 

It's clearly spelled out in numerous places on both eBay and Paypal, and they even preselect Signature Confirmation on the eBay shipping form when you try to ship an item that sold for $250 or more.

 

Yeah, it wasn't on ebay. I wish it was on ebay.

 

If you use Paypal's shipping form, it's the same thing.

 

Yeah but in reference to international shipping using the paypal shipping form is the same as being ripped off for no reason.

 

So the $250 USD or $330 Canadian - which only comes to play if someone sends canadina, which like, why would anyone do that?

 

Lesson learned.

[comix4fun]

I would like to clarify, I stated that 2 of the Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade. NOT Marvel Premiere 47. I also stated in the same post to wait until I got home for further detail..

 

Just trying to get this straight ...

 

You bought 2 copies of MP #48 from Gresham and complained to him that they were overgraded. But in your latest sales thread those copies were listed at a higher grade than the one Gresham originally assigned?

 

 

The 47, and the Avengers books are all listed with higher grades than NP.....the 48's were mentioned and one sold on the thread but they aren't mentioned anymore.

 

The references to them are gone.

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

I would like to clarify, I stated that 2 of the Marvel Premiere 48's were slightly lower grade. NOT Marvel Premiere 47. I also stated in the same post to wait until I got home for further detail..

 

Just trying to get this straight ...

 

You bought 2 copies of MP #48 from Gresham and complained to him that they were overgraded. But in your latest sales thread those copies were listed at a higher grade than the one Gresham originally assigned?

 

Not quite. I purchased 4 copies. Too were overgrazed by a little. I listed 5 in a sales thread. I got 4 copies from Gresham, 1 copy from THE_BEYONDER, and purchased one copy in a massive lot a year ago. I gave NP Gresham's worst copy to my wife's cousin, because he loves Antman. I listed my other 5 copies (BEYONDER's being the best to my recollection) in the sales thread.