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[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

He's former law enforcement and a lawyer.

 

I'm not but I still agree that after seeing things happen in life that the comments serve no real practical purpose. Even if the people making the comments are not trying to undermine the deal the only other purpose they can serve is to make a buyer feel bad about the sale.

 

There is nothing WRONG with that. (thumbs u

 

I am curious about the "former law enforcement"

[comix4fun]

Let's hope not.

 

 

The completely innocent "congratulations" posts have already begun.

 

Next comes:

 

"What a steal! PM sent!"

 

 

 

And

 

"OH MAN!!! I woulda paid more!!! LET ME KNOW IF THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH!!"

 

I don't see the problem with that but apparently it ruffles feathers.

 

I guess people see it as an invitation for the seller to seek a better offer than has already been accepted. Trying to slip in front of the buyer by waving money around.

 

I don't read it that way, but a more cynical (or less naive perhaps) person might.

 

It's a classless move.

 

Someone sells something and then a crowd forms and starts spouting out about 'wow, that was freaking really good deal!' or 'wow that went cheap!'.

 

To me it's like rubbing the seller's nose in the fact that he left too much money on the table.

 

 

Gotcha! I always saw it like Bird. Possibly tempting the seller to flake on the deal. I tend to be quite happy with my sales price whether it's a deal or not. I would like to know other possible buyers.

 

Bird was being just a touch facetious.

 

Uh, no I wasn't. Don't speak for me please.

 

 

I gave you credit for the "less naive" meaning exactly what it sounds like, sorry.

[comix4fun]

Let's hope not.

 

 

The completely innocent "congratulations" posts have already begun.

 

Next comes:

 

"What a steal! PM sent!"

 

 

 

And

 

"OH MAN!!! I woulda paid more!!! LET ME KNOW IF THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH!!"

 

I don't see the problem with that but apparently it ruffles feathers.

 

I guess people see it as an invitation for the seller to seek a better offer than has already been accepted. Trying to slip in front of the buyer by waving money around.

 

I don't read it that way, but a more cynical (or less naive perhaps) person might.

 

It's a classless move.

 

Someone sells something and then a crowd forms and starts spouting out about 'wow, that was freaking really good deal!' or 'wow that went cheap!'.

 

To me it's like rubbing the seller's nose in the fact that he left too much money on the table.

 

 

Gotcha! I always saw it like Bird. Possibly tempting the seller to flake on the deal. I tend to be quite happy with my sales price whether it's a deal or not. I would like to know other possible buyers.

 

Bird was being just a touch facetious.

 

Uh, no I wasn't. Don't speak for me please.

 

He can't help it.

 

As hard as answering a question, huh?

[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

[comix4fun]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

 

So do you ship ALL your books before people pay?

 

Assume everything they tell you is the truth?

[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

 

So do you ship ALL your books before people pay?

 

Assume everything they tell you is the truth?

 

Now you're being silly.

[comix4fun]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

He's former law enforcement and a lawyer.

 

I'm not but I still agree that after seeing things happen in life that the comments serve no real practical purpose. Even if the people making the comments are not trying to undermine the deal the only other purpose they can serve is to make a buyer feel bad about the sale.

 

There is nothing WRONG with that. (thumbs u

 

I am curious about the "former law enforcement"

 

 

Curiosity is good.

 

 

[VintageComics]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

He's former law enforcement and a lawyer.

 

I'm not but I still agree that after seeing things happen in life that the comments serve no real practical purpose. Even if the people making the comments are not trying to undermine the deal the only other purpose they can serve is to make a buyer feel bad about the sale.

 

There is nothing WRONG with that. (thumbs u

 

But that isn't the point of the discussion.

 

[N/A]

Killed the cat.

[comix4fun]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

 

So do you ship ALL your books before people pay?

 

Assume everything they tell you is the truth?

 

Now you're being silly.

 

 

You said you trust EVERYONE until they give you a reason not to...so why not trust they'll pay you, that everything they tell you is worth trusting....until it's not?

 

It's your life model, we're just living in it.

[VintageComics]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

He's former law enforcement and a lawyer.

 

I'm not but I still agree that after seeing things happen in life that the comments serve no real practical purpose. Even if the people making the comments are not trying to undermine the deal the only other purpose they can serve is to make a buyer feel bad about the sale.

 

There is nothing WRONG with that. (thumbs u

 

But that isn't the point of the discussion.

 

 

 

I thought it was. Assuming the comments had some hidden meaning or were meant to undermine a transaction. A comment being useless vs a comment with an agenda are two very different discussions. You think the comment is useless. I wouldn't debate that except to say it may inflate post count.

[Bird]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

 

Not really. This argument is just semantics. The type of thing that would be over in 20 seconds if you were face to face.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Bird

[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

 

 

Ok then. Now you get to make the rules on trust. Cool! Maybe you can have them added to the sale section rules. (thumbs u

[comix4fun]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

 

 

Ok then. Now you get to make the rules on trust. Cool! Maybe you can have them added to the sale section rules. (thumbs u

 

 

They're your rules. Don't get bent because the application means you gotta ship out books as soon as someone says they'll take it.

[comix4fun]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

 

Not really. This argument is just semantics. The type of thing that would be over in 20 seconds if you were face to face.

 

 

Someone's going to come along and refute this, ya know, just to be contrary.

[Bird]

you are in reductio ad absudum or whatever it is territory now

[N/A]

Your questions only apply by assuming intent. I don't see the vast majority as interfering. I certainly don't see them as taking anything from me.

 

 

 

Can you actually see the silver bells and cockle shells from your window?

 

Do you find it hard to trust in general?

 

 

I find trust is an achievement, to be earned, and not a gift, to be given away.

 

And it is this philosophical difference that keeps us at odds.

 

Wait, so you implicitly trust everyone first?

 

Yes.

 

Until there is a reason not to trust them. Then your rules applies, for me.

 

Trust is different than respect.

 

C4Fun is making his point so I'll leave him to it, but if you trusted everyone 1st you'd be shipping before they pay.

 

 

Ok then. Now you get to make the rules on trust. Cool! Maybe you can have them added to the sale section rules. (thumbs u

 

 

They're your rules. Don't get bent because the application means you gotta ship out books as soon as someone says they'll take it.

 

 

No. Your example is silly and does not properly illustrate openly trusting and not having them earn it.

[N/A]

you are in reductio ad absudum or whatever it is territory now

 

They keep trying but the example does not follow a logical path or a logical conclusion.

[comix4fun]

you are in reductio ad absudum or whatever it is territory now

 

 

I know reductio ad absurdum. I've studied reductio ad absurdum. This, sir, is no...well...maybe a little.

 

If you say you trust everyone until they give you a reason not to, as opposed to say letting people earn your trust, then you MUST therefore (as a logical certainty) believe everything they tell you and everything they say they are going to do until they do otherwise.

 

It's simply pointing out that no one actually trusts everyone until given a reason not to. That's not how people conduct themselves and that's not how business is done and it's not how JD does business. Which, to me, calls into question how much he actually trusts everyone as he says, or if it's just for debate purposes.

 

I'd ask him directly but I am too full for any more fortune cookies, mine or his.