mattn792 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: Still better than TLJ and Rogue One, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, mattn792 said: Other than the Vader scene, and Mendelsohn, Rogue One was poop. You know what? K2S0 was good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: Other than the Vader scene, and Mendelsohn, Rogue One was poop. You know what? K2S0 was good, too. Ranking the 10 films I’ve seen, ROS is 25th on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, mattn792 said: Ranking the 10 films I’ve seen, ROS is 25th on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaven Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: Ahhh so that is what happened to Dracula... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Bosco685 said: As of Day 46 (2/3), ROS now experiencing larger drop-off than last three modern Star Wars films. - 63.8% below Force Awakens - 23.2% below Rogue One - 12.2% below The Last Jedi Best-case, we see a re-release with deleted footage. Why you ignoring Solo, yo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaven Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Gatsby77 said: Why you ignoring Solo, yo? Doesn't everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: Why you ignoring Solo, yo? I have Solo in the combined modern franchise worldwide chart. Including its critics and audience scores. But as an anthology film focused on the origins of Solo, it wouldn't fit into the current modern franchise. Though some would argue Rogue One is an anthology story that exploded at the box office compared to Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Thats the best move. Star Wars works better for television imo. Storytellers can focus on new characters in smaller scenarios ie The Mandolorian. As Luke says in Episode VIII, “It’s time for the Jedi to die.” Besides we all know it’s the MCU that’s truly captured the imagination of the world. Edited February 5, 2020 by @therealsilvermane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said: Thats the best move. Star Wars works better for television imo. Storytellers can focus on new characters in smaller scenarios ie The Mandolorian. As Luke says in Episode VIII, “It’s time for the Jedi to die.” Besides we all know it’s the MCU that’s truly captured the imagination of the world. That movie is so bad that we can't even quote it correctly. "It's time for the Jedi to end." The MCU sucks now, bro. Franchise entertainment is dead. Lets get some originality up in our movie theaters again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Bosco685 said: I have Solo in the combined modern franchise worldwide chart. Including its critics and audience scores. But as an anthology film focused on the origins of Solo, it wouldn't fit into the current modern franchise. Though some would argue Rogue One is an anthology story that exploded at the box office compared to Solo. Understood. I just think it's odd to include Rogue One and not Solo. They're co-equal one-off "Star Wars Stories" - to include one and not the other is putting your thumb on the scale - and (for instance) making the box office take of ROS seem worse than it is in terms of the true average of the five new films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Where investment and returns are involved, you are never going to get art, just cash grabs based on stupidity bentbryan and Antpark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: Understood. I just think it's odd to include Rogue One and not Solo. They're co-equal one-off "Star Wars Stories" - to include one and not the other is putting your thumb on the scale - and (for instance) making the box office take of ROS seem worse than it is in terms of the true average of the five new films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: That movie is so bad that we can't even quote it correctly. "It's time for the Jedi to end." Be careful declaring a Star Wars movie "bad" because we can't quote it correctly. Vader never says "Luke, I am your father" in Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, IkewithMike said: Where investment and returns are involved, you are never going to get art, just cash grabs based on stupidity "No one ever lost money..." P.T. Barnum was Disney before Disney was Disney. Edited February 5, 2020 by valiantman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IkewithMike said: Where investment and returns are involved, you are never going to get art, just cash grabs based on stupidity It's not as concrete as this statement would like to convey. It's all about intent and artistic freedom. From my perspective, the live-action Disney remakes lack art, and are just money-grabs. Something like Infinity War+Endgame was massively "invested" into, and the directors were given tons of artistic freedom, and the ROI shows that. They (Marvel Studios) intended on giving us something special. They invested into the artists of the Russo Bros and all of the character actors they built upon. The "investment" paid off because of the intent of the studio (and lack of interference for $$$$$ sake - like giving the Bros a 3 hour run-time despite less theater availability). Edited February 5, 2020 by theCapraAegagrus Typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, valiantman said: Be careful declaring a Star Wars movie "bad" because we can't quote it correctly. Vader never says "Luke, I am your father" in Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, theCapraAegagrus said: It's not as concrete as this statement would like to convey. It's all about intent and artistic freedom. From my perspective, the live-action Disney remakes lack art, and are just money-grabs. Something like Infinity War+Endgame was massively "invested" into, and the directors were given tons of artistic freedom, and the ROI shows that. They (Marvel Studios) intended on giving us something special. They invested into the artists of the Russo Bros and all of the character actors they built upon. The "investment" paid of because of the intent of the studio (and lack of interference for $$$$$ sake - like giving the Bros a 3 hour runtime despite less theater availability). Wrong, the premise was money, it's always money. Little films done for the sake of making them are few and far between. Sure, the entire industry is a business, but my point stands. Most films these days are being produced for the monetary impact, not much else. If you wanted to make a better comparison, I would have used Lord of the Rings. That movie became an epic, not just for recreation storytelling, but being a bloated whale that had investors questioning their sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, IkewithMike said: Wrong, the premise was money, it's always money. Little films done for the sake of making them are few and far between. Sure, the entire industry is a business, but my point stands. Most films these days are being produced for the monetary impact, not much else. If you wanted to make a better comparison, I would have used Lord of the Rings. That movie became an epic, not just for recreation storytelling, but being a bloated whale that had investors questioning their sanity. Nah. If it was all money - Endgame wouldn't have been a 3-hour movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalPSI Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said: Nah. If it was all money - Endgame wouldn't have been a 3-hour movie. I still think if they went with the original content, there is no way that movie could not have been less than 3 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
