Incredible Hulk #181 - is it *that* red-hot? 17 17

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

8 hours ago, mattn792 said:

$59,000 final price.  Just imagine if it had the extra special CVA Super Duper Exceptional sticker.  You know, the one you get if you pay up for the 10 minute eval versus the normal 5...  

It was the underbidder that was the winner 

Edited January 24, 2019 by GreatCaesarsGhost

[Callaway29]

Warren Buffet once said to be "Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful."

Be fearful folks...

[lou_fine]

3 hours ago, mattn792 said:

6 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

CVA has an established history of attracting sizable premiums on C-link 

Mile high 2 pedigree not so much.

Other recent well centered copies haven't even broken 40k.

Not complicated...

$59,000 final price.  Just imagine if it had the extra special CVA Super Duper Exceptional sticker.  You know, the one you get if you pay up for the 10 minute eval versus the normal 5...  

I would agree that it probably had a lot to do with the CVA sticker since as crazy as it sounds, bidders do pay for the labels as opposed to using their own eyes.

Like I had already posted in the other thread in General with respect to this auction result here:

And to all the boardies here who said nobody would even pay an extra penny for the so-called "worthless" CVA label or sticker.  

I guess this goes to show there really are a lot of collectors willing to pay up for a label, as clearly evident by past auctions when bidders would pay multiples more for a 9.8 graded book even though it might look worse or possibly overgraded when compared to a superior looking 9.6 graded copy.    

 

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Edited January 24, 2019 by lou_fine

[carefulsum]

More stickers = More money$$$$ 

 

Haha that's the professional comic collector's formula... 

[mattn792]

5 hours ago, lou_fine said:

I would agree that it probably had a lot to do with the CVA sticker since as crazy as it sounds, bidders do pay for the labels as opposed to using their own eyes.

Like I had already posted in the other thread in General with respect to this auction result here:

And to all the boardies here who said nobody would even pay an extra penny for the so-called "worthless" CVA label or sticker.  

I guess this goes to show there really are a lot of collectors willing to pay up for a label, as clearly evident by past auctions when bidders would pay multiples more for a 9.8 graded book even though it might look worse or possibly overgraded when compared to a superior looking 9.6 graded copy.    

 

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That old adage about a fool and his money continues to ring true.

[paul747]

Deals all over eBay! some international bidder with oil money wanted a pedigree copy (not a pedigree,really)  I have seen written in several places, people making a big deal about the fact that there are not many pedigree copies of this book. That's the only thing I can think of, I don't think the sticker added 30 grand to this book. Also I wonder if the person who purchased the book knew the entire story with the mile high pedigree.

Edited January 24, 2019 by paul747

[drbanner]

I doubt the CVA sticker matters much, if any. Pedigree + White Pages = $$$$.

[october]

6 hours ago, carefulsum said:

More stickers = More money$$$$ 

 

Haha that's the professional comic collector's formula... 

I am just glad that there are now TWO stickers/labels/companies that relieve me of the burden of thinking/grading/evaluating for myself. 

[october]

1 hour ago, drbanner said:

I doubt the CVA sticker matters much, if any. Pedigree  Illegally retained remainder copy originally from hoard of convict/pornographer + White Pages = $$$$.

Slight edit. Who wouldn't pay up for such august provenance? 

[delekkerste]

4 minutes ago, october said:

Slight edit. Who wouldn't pay up for such august provenance? 

Not a pedigree, obviously, since it doesn't meet the definition of one (which is why later CGC labels no longer recognize the MH II as such).  

But, to your point, I agree - there's a lot less admiration to be had for a warehouse find of illegally retained remaindered copies as opposed to a true pedigree where someone bought it off the stands and it somehow survived the ravages of time.  I don't think the MH II merits any premium at all, frankly.  

I don't see what's so "Exceptional" about this copy either.   

[mattn792]

7 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

I don't see what's so "Exceptional" about this copy either.   

The $449.95 profit that CVA made for 5 minutes of work (I’m guessing those stickers cost about $0.05/each to manufacture).

Edited January 24, 2019 by mattn792

[drbanner]

24 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

I don't see what's so "Exceptional" about this copy either.   

Yep, the recent Heritage 9.8 looked a lot better than this copy as far as aesthetics (which I guess what CVA is trying to award), but it had at least 2 obvious spine stresses which I wouldn't expect on a 9.8.

There are some head-scratching books with CVA stickers, not sure what their criteria is but off-centered books like the ComicLink 9.8 copy should not qualify.

[carefulsum]

Honesty I don't get why all the fuss about pedigree in the first place.

A book is a book. I mean it's the exact same book that everyone can buy when it came out in '74...there is no difference from this $59k to any other 9.8 W. This isn't a special edition or one-off that makes it different from any other 181's that came from Marvel's printing press. To be more specific I seen better looking 9.8's without the blemishes of this $59k one. Just because some dude (instead of a nobody like everyone else) bought it make it so special??

This also applies to those funny stickers 

 

[lou_fine]

3 hours ago, paul747 said:

Also I wonder if the person who purchased the book knew the entire story with the mile high pedigree.

Well, I certainly hope both the winner loser of this copy here and the under bidder winner did not bid this price up to these  levels based upon the pedigree designation. 

Especially since the Mile High II Collection is no longer viewed to be a pedigree within the marketplace.  

[rogue14]

20 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Hey guys I'm not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me but    ...

 http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FFocusedOnly%3D1%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3DIncredible%2Bhulk%2B%23181%26ItemType%3DCB%26CGC%3DYES%26CBCS%3DYES%23Item_1297653&id=1297653&itemType=0

[Bomber-Bob]

2 hours ago, carefulsum said:

Honesty I don't get why all the fuss about pedigree in the first place.

A book is a book. I mean it's the exact same book that everyone can buy when it came out in '74...there is no difference from this $59k to any other 9.8 W. This isn't a special edition or one-off that makes it different from any other 181's that came from Marvel's printing press. To be more specific I seen better looking 9.8's without the blemishes of this $59k one. Just because some dude (instead of a nobody like everyone else) bought it make it so special??

This also applies to those funny stickers 

 

It's not a matter of who owned it but about the conditions under which the book was stored all these years. It's analagous to buying a vintage car with low mileage, covered and and garage kept. Buy a pedigree once to see the difference. Holding a Church copy or a Curator pedigree in hand will take your breath away. 

[Spiderturtle]

1 hour ago, lou_fine said:

Well, I certainly hope both the winner loser of this copy here and the under bidder winner did not bid this price up to these  levels based upon the pedigree designation. 

Especially since the Mile High II Collection is no longer viewed to be a pedigree within the marketplace.  

whoever won the auction, obviously has no worries when it comes to money.  so to us common dudes, it's a big deal and we get to blast away on blah blah but that winner probably could care less.

[MGsimba77]

Guys, mile high ll is not even recognized as a pedigree by CGC anymore! This is not to be confused with the Edgar Church mile high which is a pedigree that would attract a serious premium! It's a different thing entirely and CGC doesn't recognize it for a number of reasons...a scetchy past from the "owner" being one of them.

I know the cva thing throws people into a tizzy around here but tough to imagine a dubious "pedigree" no longer recognized as such was the catalyst for such a massive premium!

Here's one of several old threads on the topic...

 

Edited January 24, 2019 by MGsimba77

[Mjolnir!]

7 hours ago, Spiderturtle said:

whoever won the auction, obviously has no worries when it comes to money.  so to us common dudes, it's a big deal and we get to blast away on blah blah but that winner probably could care less.

I guess you're right.  I could easily buy the book but even if I did, I can't see over paying like this.

 

[lou_fine]

11 hours ago, Spiderturtle said:

whoever won the auction, obviously has no worries when it comes to money.  so to us common dudes, it's a big deal and we get to blast away on blah blah but that winner probably could care less.

Well, it was probably won by the same person who won the single highest graded CGC 9.9 copy and paid something like $150K for back over a decade ago.  

Only problem is that it ended up with a severe cases of SCS damage and would be lucky to hit back into the 9's if it was ever regraded again.