Incredible Hulk #181 - is it *that* red-hot? 17 17

[MGsimba77]

3 hours ago, sledgehammer said:

A married cover would get a qualified label.

I just saw an ASM 3 7.5 with a married cover and first wrap that sold for just less than $1,300.

I missed the end of the auction, or I would have sniped it.

I would much rather have that copy than a coverless book in a slab.

I thought if the staples were replaced its a restored label? Anyway i gotcha but having that on an asm 3 is one thing. Personally I wouldn't be too thrilled about it on an IH 181 with so many copies. Just my 2 cents I think the qualified label would impact the 181 more than the asm 3. Then again if the op desires it more power to him! 

[sledgehammer]

3 minutes ago, MGsimba77 said:

I thought if the staples were replaced its a restored label? Anyway i gotcha but having that on an asm 3 is one thing. Personally I wouldn't be too thrilled about it on an IH 181 with so many copies. Just my 2 cents I think the qualified label would impact the 181 more than the asm 3. Then again if the op desires it more power to him! 

Staples are a weird thing for CGC. Overstreet always said that staples can be replaced with "vintage" on books that aren't NM.

I owned an ASM 6 9.0 green label "staples replaced" for a while many years ago.

[sledgehammer]

A 9.6 purple, with minor professional color touch, sold for over $7K pretty recently.

Just a beautifully presenting OW-W copy.

In a world of coverless slabs selling for $400, I think 1/2 price on a married cover 7.5 would be a win.

[MGsimba77]

13 hours ago, sledgehammer said:

A 9.6 purple, with minor professional color touch, sold for over $7K pretty recently.

Just a beautifully presenting OW-W copy.

In a world of coverless slabs selling for $400, I think 1/2 price on a married cover 7.5 would be a win.

In that case the restoration was minor so I suppose the value of purple labels would depend upon the amount/type of restoration.

Staple replacement would receive a "conserved" grade. The attachment of a cover or any piece in an attempt to complete the book to original form would also score a conserved label according to cgc  https://www.cgccomics.com/comic-grading/labels/

I mean if its possible to find I great looking high mid grade front cover then staple it on while avoiding a conserved label it could overcome a lot but how likely is that? It's an interesting topic though! 

Edited July 15, 2019 by MGsimba77

[lou_fine]

11 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

15 hours ago, sledgehammer said:

A married cover would get a qualified label.

 

I thought if the staples were replaced its a restored label?

 

6 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Staple replacement would receive a "conserved" grade. The attachment of a cover or any piece in an attempt to complete the book to original form would also score a conserved label according to cgc  https://www.cgccomics.com/comic-grading/labels/

Wow, there sure seems to be a lot of confusion with the various CGC labels, and understandably so with all of the changes that are constantly taking place.  

From the way that I read it, staple replacement with vintage staples would indeed be considered as Conservation.

As for a married cover, I believe it is neither a Qualified label or a Conserved label according to the following link:

https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/4084/

Sounds to me like it would be a purple Restored label and the quality of the work would then determine the Aesthectic Scale rating for the restoration.  I believe the "piece reattachement" that they are referring to for the Conservation category would not include a married cover.  Best to actually check with them, although CGC's standards, definitions, and labels are prone to being changed at any point in time as history has clearly shown us.  

[sledgehammer]

I went back and looked at it again, because I was sure it must have been graded prior.

Then I saw the label, and assumed it must have been reslabbed.

Then, I looked it up, and it was graded on 6-20-19.

ASM #3 Qualified Green Label "front cover and 1st wrap married"  Cert # 2043733004.

Oh well,... mistake,.... new change, who knows?

I still appreciate that they make these new distinctions between conserved, amateur and professional resto.

 

[MGsimba77]

Ok so if the OP submits the 181 as he suggested with an attached cover the label it gets depends on the discretion of cgc. I forgot about the conserved label since I haven't seen one in forever. Either way I think the alterations would be notated on the label which would impact the value. 

Maybe he can find a good looking "cover only" and take his chances? I'm sure they're out there

[lou_fine]

Just noticed the sale of this CGC 9.8 graded copy of Hulk 181 in tonight's CL auction for $27,250:

Any idea if this is simply the continuation of the cool down for a few of the recent super red hot books from last year like AF 15 and Hulk 181?  

Especially since I believe 9.8 graded copies of Hulk 181 was fetching well into the $30K+ price range last year or is this due in part to the rather fugly looking flattened white line running down the spine of this off-centered copy here?  

[PeterPark]

I prefer the white line on the edge. 

[NP_Gresham]

39 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Just noticed the sale of this CGC 9.8 graded copy of Hulk 181 in tonight's CL auction for $27,250:

Any idea if this is simply the continuation of the cool down for a few of the recent super red hot books from last year like AF 15 and Hulk 181?  

Especially since I believe 9.8 graded copies of Hulk 181 was fetching well into the $30K+ price range last year or is this due in part to the rather fugly looking flattened white line running down the spine of this off-centered copy here?  

Slap a CVA sticker on that puppy and you have your 30K

[lou_fine]

4 minutes ago, NP_Gresham said:

Slap a CVA sticker on that puppy and you have your 30K

Weel, this CGC 9.8 graded copy here didn't have a CVA sticker on it and managed to fetch $38,400 last year:

Then again, the CVA sticker might simply have been out of sight and buried in one of the interior pages to denote above PQ relative to the WP designation.  

[carefulsum]

6 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Just noticed the sale of this CGC 9.8 graded copy of Hulk 181 in tonight's CL auction for $27,250:

Any idea if this is simply the continuation of the cool down for a few of the recent super red hot books from last year like AF 15 and Hulk 181?  

Especially since I believe 9.8 graded copies of Hulk 181 was fetching well into the $30K+ price range last year or is this due in part to the rather fugly looking flattened white line running down the spine of this off-centered copy here?  

Once Marvel's phase 5 comes out, this amount will be a bargain and a super deal. Just need to hold the book for a few years.

[lou_fine]

6 hours ago, carefulsum said:

Once Marvel's phase 5 comes out, this amount will be a bargain and a super deal. Just need to hold the book for a few years.

The only problem with this particular strategy here is that in this day and age of the CGC speculators and flippers, holding onto a book like this for even a few weeks is probably far too long a time frame for them to even think of enduring.      

Not like old fogies like me who plucked their HG copy off the display wall for the then inordinate sum of $5 and still holding onto it for all these long decades.    

[MGsimba77]

18 hours ago, lou_fine said:

or is this due in part to the rather fugly looking flattened white line running down the spine of this off-centered copy here?  

Most likely.

9.8 sales bounce around. The high grades are still quite hot. A 9.6 recently went for 15k

Edited July 25, 2019 by MGsimba77

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 7/14/2019 at 6:47 AM, drbanner said:

7-8 years ago you could have bought a 9.4 with $2,400.

The only copy I ever owned was a blue label 8.5 with the MJ insert.  Cost me $750. The most I had ever spent on a comic at the time.   Can't believe it's a $4000+ book now.

[Darkowl]

Just did a Sold Listings search on ebay for a 7.5 grade. The numbers are not impressive. I'm just not seeing any real growth right now.

[lou_fine]

1 hour ago, Darkowl said:

Just did a Sold Listings search on ebay for a 7.5 grade. The numbers are not impressive. I'm just not seeing any real growth right now.

That's because there's been far too many copies out in the marketplace as it's a relatively easy book to find if you wanted to buy one.

Just take a look at the CL Auction from last week which had a total of 8 copies ranging from CGC 6.5 up to CGC 9.6, all trying to cannibalize one another.  

Edited September 1, 2019 by lou_fine

[Shaun C89]

I think the FOMO has died down some on this book, now may be a good time to get a copy before it gets hot again when there is a MCU announcement. 

[Darkowl]

46 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

That's because there's been far too many copies out in the marketplace as it's a relatively easy book to find if you wanted to buy one.

Just take a look at the CL Auction from last week which had a total of 8 copies ranging from CGC 6.5 up to CGC 9.6, all trying to cannibalize one another.  

The number of copies in existence certainly doesn't help!

[Darkowl]

48 minutes ago, Shaun C89 said:

I think the FOMO has died down some on this book, now may be a good time to get a copy before it gets hot again when there is a MCU announcement. 

I agree. As soon as they announce who the lucky actor is that gets to play Wolverine, we'll probably see another spike.