ygogolak Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said: Just curious, but has the market REALLY decided that TT 12 is the 1st app of BMWL? Or, is this simply a supply and demand thing? Meaning, because there was a much lower print run on TT 12, its value is higher than DNM 2, and it just gained momentum as the "1st" appearance simply due to relative value? How do you ever determine what the market has decided? Value, right? Which one costs more today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, ygogolak said: How do you ever determine what the market has decided? Value, right? Which one costs more today? Assigning first appearances based on which books sells for the most money is a gigantic misstep. markanthonymartinez and SpeedforceKJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, darkstar said: Assigning first appearances based on which books sells for the most money what the market decides is a gigantic misstep. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, darkstar said: Assigning first appearances based on which books sells for the most money is a gigantic misstep. See, IH #181. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, ygogolak said: FTFY You should stop using most-expensive appearance and first appearance interchangeably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, darkstar said: You should stop using most-expensive appearance and first appearance interchangeably. There you go again, putting words out that I did not say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ygogolak said: There you go again, putting words out that I did not say. In your previous post in response to philipbk2k17 you literally wrote that the market decided the character's first appearance was TT12 because it commands the most money. Do you need it read back to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, darkstar said: In your previous post in response to philipbk2k17 you literally wrote that the market decided the character's first appearance was TT12 because it commands the most money. Do you need it read back to you? Yes, "the Maket" has decided that. Then read my response to you....sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tec-Tac-Toe Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ygogolak said: Exact same scenario as the black suit Spidey. Market decided on Secret Wars. There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tec-Tac-Toe Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ygogolak said: Ah, had my issues mixed up. At any rate, you see the similarity. Not surprising that ASM was chosen over MTU though. Interesting, I forgot about this as well as I have not collected A S-M on a "regular" basis since around 2005, only "key" issues. Unfortunately, the "real" MTU died long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said: No, the market decided on ASM #252 over MTU #141, even though they both came out on exactly the same day (I have a specific memory of this when I went to buy them at my local comic shop, and recall having that exact discussion. The Shop was limiting how many copies of ASM 252 you could buy, but not #MTU 141). Secret Wars 8, however, would "come first in the reading order." Well, either your memory sucks or your store sucked, because ASM 252 came out weeks before any other black costume appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lazyboy said: Well, either your memory sucks or your store sucked, because ASM 252 came out weeks before any other black costume appearance. Two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Lazyboy said: Well, either your memory sucks or your store sucked, because ASM 252 came out weeks before any other black costume appearance. No it didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, PhilipB2k17 said: No it didn’t. Show me a single piece of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Lazyboy said: Show me a single piece of evidence. How about a CGC label? WolverineX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said: How about a CGC label? I said evidence, not CGC stupidity. That is a perfect example of why CGC should just remove all issue notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I have a very clear memory of going to my local comic shop and seeing both MTU 141 & ASM 252 on the display at the same time. The shop was limiting the number of ASM 252 copies you could buy. If ASM 252 came out weeks earlier, then it would have been sold out and they would not have had both available. I remember having a conversation with my shop proprietor about the discrepancy. He didn’t understand why one was considered “first,” while the other wasn’t either. I think we’d have to see some direct market release date records to resolve this. But CGC accepts them as being “tied,” so that’s sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said: I have a very clear memory of going to my local comic shop and seeing both MTU 141 & ASM 252 on the display at the same time. The shop was limiting the number of ASM 252 copies you could buy. If ASM 252 came out weeks earlier, then it would have been sold out and they would not have had both available. I remember having a conversation with my shop proprietor about the discrepancy. He didn’t understand why one was considered “first,” while the other wasn’t either. I think we’d have to see some direct market release date records to resolve this. But CGC accepts them as being “tied,” so that’s sufficient. ASM #252 MTU #141 SW #8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, ygogolak said: ASM #252 MTU #141 SW #8 The info revealed when you hover over the magnifying glass by the date is the good stuff. ygogolak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygogolak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, bababooey said: The info revealed when you hover over the magnifying glass by the date is the good stuff. Holy , that's awesome! Never noticed it before, thanks! sd2416 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...