ASM #33 Cover Different Colors? 2 2

[Skellington]

I've noticed on ASM #33 the water seems to be different shades. What causes this? Is it different ink? Some of the covers seem dark and others much lighter? 

[Bomber-Bob]

The first book in 7.5 looks to have a slight sun fade. It's all about how the book was stored.

[The Lions Den]

Another one of Ditko's classic Spidey covers...beautiful work. IMO, that CGC label is missing this key comment: "Classic cover and story".

Edited July 7, 2018 by The Lions Den

[Lazyboy]

1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said:

The first book in 7.5 looks to have a slight sun fade. It's all about how the book was stored.

Not with those reds.

It's simply normal fluctuation in ink levels throughout the print run.

[Bomber-Bob]

18 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Not with those reds.

It's simply normal fluctuation in ink levels throughout the print run.

Do the reds fade before blue ? 

[Lazyboy]

2 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Do the reds fade before blue ? 

Yes. Red first, blue last.

[Artboy99]

it could also just be a difference in how the books were scanned/ photographed.

[Skellington]

 I appreciate the responses. So for example this one below has more light blue water due to different ink levels during production? I'm new here and didn't realize the comics could vary in color like this. I thought one was more faded or damaged than the other.

[James J Johnson]

13 hours ago, Skellington said:

I've noticed on ASM #33 the water seems to be different shades. What causes this? Is it different ink? Some of the covers seem dark and others much lighter? 

Before I discuss this issue, let me present these two example of Avengers #24:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-24-marvel-1966-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7009-91149.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-24-marvel-1966-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7063-94001.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

Both of these 24s are graded CGC 9.8.

What you'll notice is that one of them had a black print mark in the white area at the bottom left corner between the blue uniformed character's feet. The other example does not.

Further, approx. 1/3rd of all 24s have the printing mark, and 2/3rds do not, but half of those 2/3 that do not have it also have a dissimilarity from that group without the mark!

Why do you think that is?

 

[Not A Clone]

1 hour ago, James J Johnson said:

Before I discuss this issue, let me present these two example of Avengers #24:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-24-marvel-1966-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7009-91149.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-24-marvel-1966-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7063-94001.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

Both of these 24s are graded CGC 9.8.

What you'll notice is that one of them had a black print mark in the white area at the bottom left corner between the blue uniformed character's feet. The other example does not.

Further, approx. 1/3rd of all 24s have the printing mark, and 2/3rds do not, but half of those 2/3 that do not have it also have a dissimilarity from that group without the mark!

Why do you think that is?

 

If I had to guess I would say the printer had something wrong with it causing it to print that black mark. There's a lot of people here that know a lot more about the print process than I do though.

[James J Johnson]

1 hour ago, Not A Clone said:

If I had to guess I would say the printer had something wrong with it causing it to print that black mark. There's a lot of people here that know a lot more about the print process than I do though.

Color difference too. The coloration of the top left corner "brown" character box varies as well. One on it's a cinnamon color, lets of red and yellow undertone, on another type, it's a medium brown, and on the third type, a chocolate brown. Has anyone noticed just how many more Avengers 24s there are than 25s?:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.XAvengers+24.TRS1&_nkw=Avengers+24&_sacat=73

Looks to me like 97 copies of Avengers 24 can be found on ebay as of now, using the silver age comics search, Avengers 24

Here's the result for Avengers 25:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Avengers+25&_sacat=73&_pgn=1

43 copies of Avengers 25 currently ebay available, compared to 97 copies of Avengers 24.

And that's a very typical ratio of market available copies at any given time.

Possible explanations?

Edited July 7, 2018 by James J Johnson

[zzutak]

This is not to discount any of the previous comments, but the CGC label can sometimes reveal quite a bit about how similar the "live" book (in hand) will be to its digital representation.  Some scanners do not faithfully capture some colors, and some sellers bump up the brightness and/or saturation levels on their scans.  Shouldn't these two labels be roughly identical with respect to color?  Are they?

[The Lions Den]

20 hours ago, Not A Clone said:

If I had to guess I would say the printer had something wrong with it causing it to print that black mark. There's a lot of people here that know a lot more about the print process than I do though.

I'm taking notes from now on...

[Bomber-Bob]

19 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

Color difference too. The coloration of the top left corner "brown" character box varies as well. One on it's a cinnamon color, lets of red and yellow undertone, on another type, it's a medium brown, and on the third type, a chocolate brown. Has anyone noticed just how many more Avengers 24s there are than 25s?:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.XAvengers+24.TRS1&_nkw=Avengers+24&_sacat=73

Looks to me like 97 copies of Avengers 24 can be found on ebay as of now, using the silver age comics search, Avengers 24

Here's the result for Avengers 25:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Avengers+25&_sacat=73&_pgn=1

43 copies of Avengers 25 currently ebay available, compared to 97 copies of Avengers 24.

And that's a very typical ratio of market available copies at any given time.

Possible explanations?

I've always noticed Avengers 24 is easily found and in high grade also. I always assumed it was a warehouse find. Not sure where any of this is leading ? Your supplying more questions than answers, LOL !

[The Lions Den]

19 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

Color difference too. The coloration of the top left corner "brown" character box varies as well. One on it's a cinnamon color, lets of red and yellow undertone, on another type, it's a medium brown, and on the third type, a chocolate brown. Has anyone noticed just how many more Avengers 24s there are than 25s?:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.XAvengers+24.TRS1&_nkw=Avengers+24&_sacat=73

Looks to me like 97 copies of Avengers 24 can be found on ebay as of now, using the silver age comics search, Avengers 24

Here's the result for Avengers 25:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Avengers+25&_sacat=73&_pgn=1

43 copies of Avengers 25 currently ebay available, compared to 97 copies of Avengers 24.

And that's a very typical ratio of market available copies at any given time.

Possible explanations?

They tried to correct the variation during the printing process and ran additional copies to do so? Or maybe they had to replace some of the ink partway through the run?   

Edited July 8, 2018 by The Lions Den
Additional info added

[The Lions Den]

3 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I've always noticed Avengers 24 is easily found and in high grade also. I always assumed it was a warehouse find. Not sure where any of this is leading ? Your supplying more questions than answers, LOL !

Snatch the comic from my hand, grasshopper...

[The Lions Den]

37 minutes ago, zzutak said:

This is not to discount any of the previous comments, but the CGC label can sometimes reveal quite a bit about how similar the "live" book (in hand) will be to its digital representation.  Some scanners do not faithfully capture some colors, and some sellers bump up the brightness and/or saturation levels on their scans.  Shouldn't these two labels be roughly identical with respect to color?  Are they?

They do look quite a bit different, don't they?

[James J Johnson]

1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I've always noticed Avengers 24 is easily found and in high grade also. I always assumed it was a warehouse find. Not sure where any of this is leading ? Your supplying more questions than answers, LOL !

There was more than one print run of Marvels that needed to be produced with a higher circulation due to contractual obligations to certain advertisers. Spider-Man 45 is another one like Avengers 24. More than one print run. Compare the market availability of Spider-man 45 to number 46!  The 45 was printed in double the quantity as 46. At present, about 100 number 45s on ebay and approx. 35 number 46s.

Edited July 8, 2018 by James J Johnson

[Not A Clone]

8 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

There was more than one print run of Marvels that needed to be produced with a higher circulation due to contractual obligations to certain advertisers. Spider-Man 45 is another one like Avengers 24. More than one print run. Compare the market availability of Spider-man 45 to number 46!  The 45 was printed in double the quantity as 46. At present, about 100 number 45s on ebay and approx. 35 number 46s.

Ah, I always wondered why #76 & #82 seemed much more scarce. This must be it.

[The Lions Den]

7 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

There was more than one print run on Marvels that needed to be produced with a higher circulation due to contractual obligations to a certain advertiser. Spider-Man 45 is another one like Avengers 24. More than one print run. Compare the market availability of Spider-man 45 to number 46!  The 45 was printed in double the quantity as 46. At present, about 100 number 45s on ebay and approx. 35 number 46s.

Thank you for clearing that up! Even though I was buying comics back then, I didn't realize that Marvel was doing extra print runs on some issues. I'm adding that to the "you learn something every day" file...