Counterfeit Cars, Comic Art, & Comic Books... 1 1

[bronze johnny]

Here's an interesting article about counterfeit collectible cars that remineded me of the fake comic book art and the notorious counterfeit Cerebus 1. Also wondering if we will see counterfeit copies of Action Comics 1 and Detective Comics 27 someday if they haven't already been produced?

https://nypost.com/2019/03/02/how-counterfeit-car-makers-are-scamming-enthusiasts/

-john

 

 

[WolverineX]

Definitely an interesting thought... I always wondered why Cerebus 1 was counterfeited out of all the other rare comics out there...

[shadroch]

10 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

Definitely an interesting thought... I always wondered why Cerebus 1 was counterfeited out of all the other rare comics out there...

It's much easier to counterfeit black and white comics.

[bronze johnny]

17 minutes ago, shadroch said:

It's much easier to counterfeit black and white comics.

Agree and want to add that technology today has probably made it much easier to counterfeit multi-colored comics.

[FoggyNelson]

Thanks for the link , very interesting , I did not know they faked cars☹️🤬

[JollyComics]

I had counterfeit Cry for Dawn #1 once after I found in $1 BIN in 1994.  I noticed the background was fuzzy so I knew it was a counterfeit.

Kept this book until 2008 and sold for $25 (the buyer was notified about the fake book). Not bad for $1.

Counterfeit Cerebus #1 is still selling at about $300 (at least FN).

Edited March 3, 2019 by JollyComics

[shadroch]

 There was an article in NY Newsday about a US Customs raid that ,among many other things included counterfeit Marvel Comics.  This was about five years ago. I actually called the reporter and left him three messages wanting more information but he wouldn't return my calls.  I still have no idea if the article was accurate or if they meant tshirts of Marvel characters or something.

[stock_rotation]

Does anyone know the story behind this one? I've always found this intriguing. Why was it slabbed in the first place?

 

[WolverineX]

2 hours ago, JollyComics said:

I had counterfeit Cry for Dawn #1 once after I found in $1 BIN in 1994.  I noticed the background was fuzzy so I knew it was a counterfeit.

Kept this book until 2008 and sold for $25 (the buyer was notified about the fake book). Not bad for $1.

Counterfeit Cerebus #1 is still selling at about $300 (at least FN).

Insane, for 200 bucks more, you could buy a real Cerebus 4.5 copy...

[kav]

JSG Boggs-would draw one sided bills, then go to trade his art for other works of art like clothes at stores or meals at restaurants.  Usually people would decline-bad for them cause his work was worth tens of thousands and highly sought by collectors.  He never sold his bills-if a collector was interested he would just tell them where he had traded it.  The complete work was the entire transaction, however-the receipt and change he got for his art completed the artwork and was also highly collected.

 

Due to Boggs the Bank of England started placing copyright on their bills to stop him:

Edited March 3, 2019 by kav

[JollyComics]

2 hours ago, Wolverinex said:

Insane, for 200 bucks more, you could buy a real Cerebus 4.5 copy...

I know even the counterfeit copies were slabbed that are selling well.

Edited March 3, 2019 by JollyComics

[WolverineX]

2 minutes ago, JollyComics said:

I know even the counterfeit copies were slabbed that are selling well.

I think I rather just have the real thing, bro.  2000  copies...  crazy!

[JollyComics]

7 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

I think I rather just have the real thing, bro.  2000  copies...  crazy!

CGC Census shows 225 original copies and 62 counterfeit copies. Yep it's crazy that they are still buying the counterfeits. Maybe it has to do with the history.

[kav]

5 minutes ago, JollyComics said:

CGC Census shows 225 original copies and 62 counterfeit copies. Yep it's crazy that they are still buying the counterfeits. Maybe it has to do with the history.

Sell the sizzle, not the steak.

[dupont2005]

6 hours ago, bronze johnny said:

Agree and want to add that technology today has probably made it much easier to counterfeit multi-colored comics.

Not really,the tooling used to make those four color newsprint comics are pretty much out of use, and they were expensive to begin with. It would be easier to counterfeit a modern comic than one from 80 years ago 

[dupont2005]

52 minutes ago, JollyComics said:

CGC Census shows 225 original copies and 62 counterfeit copies. Yep it's crazy that they are still buying the counterfeits. Maybe it has to do with the history.

For the right price I’d take one. No more than $100 though. I already have a counterfeit Love And Rockets #1, but I bought it thinking it was legit.

 

the fakes I’d be most interested in though are the fake foil cover comics from the early 90’s. I saw an article about it in Wizard, about fake “Platinum edition” comics with amateur foil applied. I wonder who they fooled, and how? I guess before the internet it wouldn’t be as easy to research such a thing so if a guy at a convention pulled one out some people wouldn’t ask questions 

[bronze johnny]

7 minutes ago, dupont2005 said:

Not really,the tooling used to make those four color newsprint comics are pretty much out of use, and they were expensive to begin with. It would be easier to counterfeit a modern comic than one from 80 years ago 

You don't think they can recreate the molds for the tooling?

https://www.google.com/amp/compositesmanufacturingmagazine.com/2018/11/the-next-generation-of-tooling/amp/

Edited March 3, 2019 by bronze johnny

[dupont2005]

Nit cost effectively. At that point might as well just forge currency

[bronze johnny]

Just now, dupont2005 said:

Nit cost effectively. At that point might as well just forge currency

Never underestimate the schemers. Lol

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

5 hours ago, JollyComics said:

I had counterfeit Cry for Dawn #1 once after I found in $1 BIN in 1994.  I noticed the background was fuzzy so I knew it was a counterfeit.

Kept this book until 2008 and sold for $25 (the buyer was notified about the fake book). Not bad for $1.

Counterfeit Cerebus #1 is still selling at about $300 (at least FN).

If I were Dave Sim, I'd issue my own counterfeit edition so others weren't making profiting off of my property. Create it the same way the original counterfeiters made theirs