Knightsofold Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I know that. I’ve got 3 of them and just today purchased a 9.0. My point was it’s not on the list posted previously in this string. Overstreet doesn’t give it classic cover status. CGC has started to go around Overstreet by calling it a “classic flag cover”, but that, to me anyway, doesn’t get it right. Does “classic flag cover” mean the cover isn’t good enough to be a true classic amongst all covers, only meriting status amongst the sub genre of “flag” covers? That is faint praise I’ve found the classic FLAG/BONDAGE/ETC. note annoying, if it says classic it should be a classic cover, yet it seems the “classic cover” note is known as the true classic and more important. Any classic cover has a reason why it’s classic but there’s no need to state bondage etc.. grats on your 4 Cap #37s. I had 3 at one point, that was fun. Great book, CLASSIC cover. Cat-Man_America 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I know All New 8 is inconsistently labelled. My copy is but I have seen other copies that don't have the designation: Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Knightsofold said: So I think demand outside niche collectors is another way to naturally determine a classic or potential classic cover. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny545 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 5:27 PM, Primetime said: The term classic does seem to be thrown around a bit more today than before. Yes. Primetime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny545 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 15 hours ago, gino2paulus2 said: I am curious as well don’t have an answer but to chime in I know CGC is open to changing labels a bit as OSPG had Classic Nazi Monster cover for Speed 28. CGCs label did not reflect that. I asked them to change it and they did which I though was cool 🤟 The label designation on Speed 28 is in fact “Classic Nazi Monster Cover” which is 1000x better than the generic “Classic Cover”...Thanks for your efforts to add this very specific/excellent label description. We need a few more: Classic Woman In Red Dress Cover Classic Zombie Cover Classic Skeleton Cover Classic Double Entendre Cover gino2paulus2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 6 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I’ve got 3 of them and just today purchased a 9.0. It sounds as though your self-imposed break or vacation away from buying didn't last very long. Welocme back to the hobby!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Five more GA/pre-code additions to the Classic Covers list... Spoiler On 5/31/2008 at 5:50 PM, Joseph Ragno said: Bump on this thread. I'm not sure if it's because this thread is old, but it's not letting me edit my very first post. So, I guess I'll just copy and paste here. I've added one. Action Comics 36, 52, 63, 89, 108 (credit Durden08) Adventure Comics 67, 79 Air Ace V2#2 Air Fighters Comics V1#7, V2#1 All-American Comics 21 All-American Western 113 All Select Comics 1, 2 (credit MrBedrock) All Star Comics 33 All Winners 4, 8 Amazing-Man Comics 22 Amazing Mystery Funnies 5 American Air Forces 2 America’s Best Comics 10 (credit telerites), 18 America’s Greatest Comics 1 Astonishing 30 Atomic Comics 1 Baffling Mysteries 20 Batman 3, 11, 17, 23, 27, 156, 227, 251 (credits scheradon, prof66) Betty and Me 16 Beware the Creeper 1 Big Shot Comics 24 Black Cat Mystery 30 Black Rider 20 Blue Beetle 54 (credit skybolt) Blue Bolt V1#4, V9#5, 108 (credit telerites) Bobby Benson’s B-Bar-B Riders 14 Boy Comics 10, 11 Boy Commandos 1 Brenda Starr V1#14 Camp Comics 12 Captain America 111, 113 Captain America Comics 2, 3, 7, 13, 18, 36, 46, 74 Captain Flight Comics 5, 11 Captain Marvel Adventures 4 Captain Marvel, Jr. 1, 4, 9, 13 Captain Midnight 3 Catman Comics 3, 19 Choice Comics 3 Creepy #15 (thank you credit to Blind Owl) Crime Does Not Pay 24, 27, 33 Crimes by Women 6 Criminals on the Run 7 Cyclone Comics 3 Daredevil Comics 11 Dead by Hands of Kung Fu 14 Detective Comics 8, 31, 33, 35, 69, 371 Doc Savage Comics 2, 5 Don Winslow of the Navy 44 Dynamic Comics 8 Fantastic Comics 3 Fantastic Four 25 Fighting Yank 21, 23 (credit skybolt) Flash Comics 8, 10, 21, 31, 33 Forbidden Love 1, 2 Four Favorites 10 Foxhole 1 Frisky Animals 45 Funny Pages 35 G.I. Combat 87 Great Comics 3 (credit MrBedrock) Green Hornet Comics 20 Green Lantern 1, 3, 8, 16, 29 Haunt of Fear 8, 11, 12, 14, 17 Headline Comics 8 Heart Throbs 1 Hit Comics 5, 11 Holiday Comics 2 House of Mystery 231 House of Secrets 92, 100 Howdy Doody 6 Human Torch 12, 23, 33 (credit MrBedrock) Incredible Science Fiction 33 Iron Man 128 Jet Powers 2 Jo-Jo Comics 25 (credit skybolt) Journey Into Mystery 89 Jumbo Comics 10 Jungle Comics 5 Justice Traps the Guilty 56 Lars of Mars 10, 11 Leading Comics 13 Liberty Comics 12 Living Bible 3 Lone Ranger 76 Mad 166 Magic Comics 19 Marvel Mystery Comics 5, 9, 12, 28, 29, 37, 40, 44, 46, 63 (credit MrBedrock) Marvel Super Action 12, 13 Mask Comics 1, 2 Master Comics 32 Mickey Mouse Magazine V4#7, 10 Military Comics 10 Mister Mystery 12 More Fun Comics 54, 56, 61, 65, 71 Murder Incorporated 4 Mysterious Adventures 13 Mystery Men Comics 3 Mystic Comics 7 National Comics 7, 21 Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. 5 (credit Moondog) Our Army at War #112 Peter Panda 5 Phantom 74 Phantom Lady 17, 23 (credit skybolt) Power Comics 3 Prize Comics 4 Punch Comics 12 Racket Squad In Action 12 Rangers Comics 26 (credit telerites) Red Dragon Comics 6, 7 Roly Poly Comic Book 14 Romantic Adventures 50 Science Comics 2, 3 Scoop Comics 2 Seven Seas Comics 4 Shadow Comics V2#11, V3#6 Shock Suspenstories 1, 6, 7, 12 Silver Streak Comics 6 Slam Bang Comics 3 Slave Girl Comics 1 (credit skybolt) Smash Comics 38 Space Adventures 12 Spirit 22 Star Comics V1#3 Startling Comics 46, 49 Strange Tales 167 Strange Worlds 4, 167 (credit skybolt) Sub-Mariner Comics 11 Superman 14, 23, 24, 26, 53, 146, 233 Super-Mystery Comics 4 Supersnipe Comics V2#2 Suspense Comics 3, 8, 11 Tales of Suspense 58, 59, 80 Tales to Astonish 59 Target Comics V1#8, V2#10, V4#5, V9#12 Terrific Comics (Cont. Mag.) 4, 5 Terrific Comics (Myst Pub) 14 Terrifying Tales 13 Thrilling Comics 7, 41, 52 Thrilling Crime Comics 49 Tomb of Terror 15 Top-Notch Comics 5 True Crime Comics 3 United States Marines 2 USA Comics 7, 9 Vault of Horror 17 Weird Mysteries 4, 5 Weird Science 12 (#1) Weird Science-Fantasy 29 Weird Tales of the Future 7 Weird Thrillers 3 Werewolf By Night 15 Wings Comics 89, 91, 94 (credit skybolt) Witching Hour 13 (credit scheradon) Wonder Woman 10, 179, 199 (credit scheradon) Worlds of Fear 10 Yellowjacket Comics 7 Young Allies 4, 8 Zip Comics 9, 15, 22, 32 Zoo Funnies 2 CatMan #32 Detective Comics #18 Hit Comics #3 Plastic Man nn (#1) Weird Fantasy #15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, lou_fine said: It sounds as though your self-imposed break or vacation away from buying didn't last very long. Welocme back to the hobby!!! Busted. You’re so right. My rationale: It’s an upgrade, and I’ll be throwing my undercopies back into the sea. My reality: I’m weak. Edited June 22, 2019 by GreatCaesarsGhost Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny545 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Johnny545 said: The label designation on Speed 28 is in fact “Classic Nazi Monster Cover” gino2paulus2 and The-Collector 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telerites Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 My intent for starting this thread was to get insight on who and how a classic decided. Is it anecdotal over time to label a cover classic. Like I said earlier as only example, I think National 16 classic while Blue Bolt 106 is not. I have copies of both and actually posted the 106 in the Gold Connections thread. Don't get me wrong, I love the cover of Blue Bolt 106 and am an ardent Cole lover. I wouldn't doubt someone will come on and tell me opinion is wrong and hence the question. I realize, too, there isn't an answer but it does make interesting discussion (at least for me to read). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 The term “classic” only applies if you think it is. Or now days, as a marketing tool to squeeze a few extra bucks out of a book. There seem to be so many fish swimming to any book that the rest of the fish are swarming. Do they really think it is “classic” or are they simply following the school? Case in point for me. Cap #74. In no way do I think it is “classic”. In my opinion, it is poorly drawn and not striking in any way. There are many WAY better Red Skull covers out there than that. I love and collect GA Cap books. I once had a sharp copy and sold it for something else I wanted a lot more with zero regrets. Just my 10 cents... Yorick, szucchini and Zolnerowich 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robot Man said: The term “classic” only applies if you think it is. Or now days, as a marketing tool to squeeze a few extra bucks out of a book. There seem to be so many fish swimming to any book that the rest of the fish are swarming. Do they really think it is “classic” or are they simply following the school? Case in point for me. Cap #74. In no way do I think it is “classic”. In my opinion, it is poorly drawn and not striking in any way. There are many WAY better Red Skull covers out there than that. I love and collect GA Cap books. I once had a sharp copy and sold it for something else I wanted a lot more with zero regrets. Just my 10 cents... If deciding whether a work of art were entirely dependent on the subjective view of an individual then how would the works of da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Renior, Monet, Picasso, Pollack, Eakins, Homer, Whistler, and Rembrandt be defined? There are true classics that meet a universal threshold that includes the works of artists that I personally don't like. The same standard applies to this art form we all love ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 17 hours ago, szav said: I think the designation of "Classic Cover" is being used a bit too liberally. When everything is special nothing is special. Classic = judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.... Maybe we need some new labels for books that are special but not quite classic?...exemplary, superb, outstanding, masterwork, noteworthy, iconic ...or maybe its time to go back and put "Classic 'Classic Cover'" on the original classics... I hope this doesn’t mean every book gets awarded a special classification just for showing up. In fact, I’m not sure where this idea fits in with “highest quality and outstanding of it’s kind” as that sounds like it’s being groomed for CVC sticker. With classic covers the primary concern is art, judged on style, cleverness, anatomical detail, perspective and execution. I also think when lesser categories are added to bolster collect they’ll muddy the water and subject to evaluation on merit it risks weakening the whole.. Maybe it's just me, but I’m not persuaded that there is an overuse of the classic cover designation, at least in respect to GA. I can think of at least a dozen more books deserving of classic cover status, and most would be easily defensible.. Truth is, we probably all have personal faves that we fell have been overlooked. 17 hours ago, Robot Man said: The term “classic” only applies if you think it is. Or now days, as a marketing tool to squeeze a few extra bucks out of a book. There seem to be so many fish swimming to any book that the rest of the fish are swarming. Do they really think it is “classic” or are they simply following the school? Case in point for me. Cap #74. In no way do I think it is “classic”. In my opinion, it is poorly drawn and not striking in any way. There are many WAY better Red Skull covers out there than that. I love and collect GA Cap books. I once had a sharp copy and sold it for something else I wanted a lot more with zero regrets. Just my 10 cents... What’s not to love? Definitely a classic cover from my perspective, ...warped viewpoint notwithstanding! Capt. America battling the Red Skull in purgatory is a pretty heady stuff. This is a book I’d upgrade if the opportunity presented itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cat-Man_America said: This is a book I’d upgrade if the opportunity presented itself. Looks like you already did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Cat-Man_America said: I hope this doesn’t mean every book gets awarded a special classification just for showing up. In fact, I’m not sure where this idea fits in with “highest quality and outstanding of it’s kind” as that sounds like it’s being groomed for CVC sticker. With classic covers the primary concern is art, judged on style, cleverness, anatomical detail, perspective and execution. I also think when lesser categories are added to bolster collect they’ll muddy the water and subject to evaluation on merit it risks weakening the whole.. Maybe it's just me, but I’m not persuaded that there is an overuse of the classic cover designation, at least in respect to GA. I can think of at least a dozen more books deserving of classic cover status, and most would be easily defensible.. Truth is, we probably all have personal faves that we fell have been overlooked. What’s not to love? Definitely a classic cover from my perspective, ...warped viewpoint notwithstanding! Capt. America battling the Red Skull in purgatory is a pretty heady stuff. This is a book I’d upgrade if the opportunity presented itself. Now if comic books were cars, they'd all be designated classics after 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 19 hours ago, Robot Man said: The term “classic” only applies if you think it is. Or now days, as a marketing tool to squeeze a few extra bucks out of a book. There seem to be so many fish swimming to any book that the rest of the fish are swarming. Do they really think it is “classic” or are they simply following the school? Case in point for me. Cap #74. In no way do I think it is “classic”. In my opinion, it is poorly drawn and not striking in any way. There are many WAY better Red Skull covers out there than that. I love and collect GA Cap books. I once had a sharp copy and sold it for something else I wanted a lot more with zero regrets. Just my 10 cents... Someone who shares my opinion about Cap 74. I don't ged it, it isn't rare and the art is so so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telerites Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Per submitter custom CGC labels for a small fee, of course. Everything but grade and ped/collection - That will solve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, The-Collector said: Someone who shares my opinion about Cap 74. I don't ged it, it isn't rare and the art is so so. Cap 74 is one of those "personal favorites of mine" books. Some covers will have a more significant impact on the person seeing it than it would on others. Does this book have a cover that distinguishes itself from other horror-like covers published during the Atomic Age (this isn't a Golden Age book) era? Is it in the same league as the greatest horror covers of the Atomic Age era? Tomb of Terror 15? Does it stand out like Thing 15? 7? Weird Mysteries 4? 5? Horrific 3? Weird Chills 2? Crime Suspenstories 22? 20? 17? Shock Suspenstories 6? Black Cat Mystery 50? 45? Worlds of Fear 10? Weird Tales of the Future 7? Mister Mystery 12? Could anyone say that these books do not have classic covers? One way to get an idea whether a cover deserves the adjective "classic" is to place it next to the above mentioned books and see how it looks? Cat-Man_America 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, bronze johnny said: Cap 74 is one of those "personal favorites of mine" books. Some covers will have a more significant impact on the person seeing it than it would on others. Does this book have a cover that distinguishes itself from other horror-like covers published during the Atomic Age (this isn't a Golden Age book) era? Is it in the same league as the greatest horror covers of the Atomic Age era? Tomb of Terror 15? Does it stand out like Thing 15? 7? Weird Mysteries 4? 5? Horrific 3? Weird Chills 2? Crime Suspenstories 22? 20? 17? Shock Suspenstories 6? Black Cat Mystery 50? 45? Worlds of Fear 10? Weird Tales of the Future 7? Mister Mystery 12? Could anyone say that these books do not have classic covers? One way to get an idea whether a cover deserves the adjective "classic" is to place it next to the above mentioned books and see how it looks? Well put. I think you'll get different answers depending on who you ask; my answer would be no. Though I think it is clear I'm in the minority given 3.0s are nearing $10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The-Collector said: Well put. I think you'll get different answers depending on who you ask; my answer would be no. Though I think it is clear I'm in the minority given 3.0s are nearing $10k. I'd attribute the value to 2 primary reasons: 1) It's a unique Captain America book and there are collectors out there with deep pockets who want all things Cap. 2) Cap 74 is a historic - transition book for Timely-Atlas-Marvel. We see the publisher transitioning from the failing superhero genre to horror/supernatural. ACG started the horror genre when it published Adventures into the Unknown 1 the prior year and other publishers followed suit. Cap 74 owes much more to capturing a very accurate moment in time that gives all of us clear insight into what's happenning during the post-war era that gave rise to the Atomic Age and the new fears, tensions, and anxieties coinciding with the early Cold War. Superheroes had done their job helping America and its allies win the Good War but they no longer gave America the assistance necessary to deal with the known unknowns. Cap tried and failed. The history is so significant in defining books like Cap 74 and that's what makes it a "classic book" not to mention a cool cover that I like. Edited June 23, 2019 by bronze johnny The-Collector, october, Cat-Man_America and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...