ANT-MAN & THE WASP QUANTUMANIA directed by Peyton Reed (2023) 11 11

[valiantman]

On 2/27/2023 at 10:26 AM, FlyingDonut said:

Not for nothing, but I have a brand new 55 inch 8K TV with surround sound and I get Disney+ in my house.

Please tell me - in very small words - what possible reason do I have to go to the movie theater with Mrs. Donut and drop $50 with to see Ant-Man?

 

[media_junkie]

On 2/27/2023 at 9:35 AM, valiantman said:

 

This quote:

Average revenue per user for Disney+, a key measure for streaming, fell 5% to $5.96 because of the strong value of the U.S. dollar.

... does line up pretty well with the $6.25 estimate needed for $1Billion in revenue per month for 160million subscribers, especially if you put that 5% back in (to get to the prior number, it was $6.25).

Don't forget how many hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of people who are on Verizon and was given D+ for free for a year (think it runs out in May, which at that time I will not be re-upping).  Now I'm sure that since it was a promo Disney is "eating" the cost of those subs.  

[FlyingDonut]

On 2/27/2023 at 4:10 PM, media_junkie said:

Don't forget how many hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of people who are on Verizon and was given D+ for free for a year (think it runs out in May, which at that time I will not be re-upping).  Now I'm sure that since it was a promo Disney is "eating" the cost of those subs.  

Mrs. Donut confims this is us. Hopefully Ant-Man will be on the channel before then.

[Axelrod]

On 2/27/2023 at 11:26 AM, FlyingDonut said:

Not for nothing, but I have a brand new 55 inch 8K TV with surround sound and I get Disney+ in my house.

Please tell me - in very small words - what possible reason do I have to go to the movie theater with Mrs. Donut and drop $50 with to see Ant-Man?

For me it is the over-priced popcorn.  And I'm only 1/2 joking.  I love that stuff. 

55" though?  In this day and age?  Why so small?    Mine is 65" and it's 5 years old.  (only 4k tho')

[Bosco685]

Actuals show a 69.9% drop - which after the first two fun films I would have never predicted this

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Bosco685

[Gatsby77]

It will be hilarious if Creed III outperforms this next weekend.

[FlyingDonut]

On 2/27/2023 at 4:41 PM, Axelrod said:

For me it is the over-priced popcorn.  And I'm only 1/2 joking.  I love that stuff. 

55" though?  In this day and age?  Why so small?    Mine is 65" and it's 5 years old.  (only 4k tho')

55 fit in the newly renovated space. The 85" is downstairs. Small 32 in photo has been moved to the upstairs office.

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[Microchip]

On 2/28/2023 at 9:43 AM, FlyingDonut said:

55 fit in the newly renovated space. The 85" is downstairs. Small 32 in photo has been moved to the upstairs office.

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A sound bar is a must 

[Ken Aldred]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:40 PM, Bosco685 said:

Crazy how theaters become a major expense, even if by yourself let alone with a group.

Now with some theaters toying with added expense if you want decent seats. The closer it gets to theaters changing drastically.

Yup. Cineworld UK has just gone bankrupt. Not surprising you'll see changes to a struggling model.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[D84]

On 2/26/2023 at 10:52 PM, drotto said:

Plus, if they repeatedly dispatch Kang, can they really call him a threat?  Or will people get board?

He'll become like Kenny from South Park.

"Oh my God! You killed Kang!"

"You bas!"

[crassus]

On 2/23/2023 at 11:16 AM, MattTheDuck said:

You know, the more I think about it, the more puzzling the story of this movie becomes.  The ease with which the "Ant-vengers" defeated this supposedly super-dangerous, all-powerful, time-traveling, mass murdering conqueror would hardly be the stuff to put fear in the heart of someone like Thor or the Hulk. If the long-term idea is that we're going to get kind of an all-Kang Chitauri and revisit the Battle of New York, I don't find that very interesting.  

Is it really impossible to come up with something that bears at least a passing resemblance to an original idea when writing these movies?  I mean, a "Cantina" scene?  I would be embarrassed to have my name associated with that level of writing hackery.

I saw it this weekend and was going to write up a big review, but thanks for doing 90% of it for me. I suspect the magic formula, apart from marketing focus groups, was -script doctors weaned on Star Wars teamed up with -script doctors from the recent animated "Strange World", just a strong suspicion, nothing to prove it. 

In addition to that hackery, I would have fired everybody for Modok alone. In the comics the character got by because his face was never really human, he was always a grotesque deformity, the idea of a giant head on a tiny body was passable in the comics because he was another type of monster. So here they just photoshopped a normal human face on to a tiny body...I'm guessing it was for laughs...? Is that really how Modok is being presented now in the Marvel Universe? OMG I would have fired everybody 

I agree with those other reviewers (above, in this thread) who have said Marvel needs to get back to smaller stories in smaller (real) worlds with less cosmic at stake. I never liked the "multi-verse" idea. Its almost the death, by definition, of what usually makes a character interesting and relatable to people- the idea of the unique, irreplaceable, "the one and only" character, in a definable world. 

[FlyingDonut]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:19 PM, Microchip said:

A sound bar is a must 

Of course. I'm not an uncultured swine.

[Larryw7]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:19 PM, Microchip said:

A sound bar is a must 

A full surround system is even better.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 2/27/2023 at 9:19 PM, crassus said:

I agree with those other reviewers (above, in this thread) who have said Marvel needs to get back to smaller stories in smaller (real) worlds with less cosmic at stake. I never liked the "multi-verse" idea. Its almost the death, by definition, of what usually makes a character interesting and relatable to people- the idea of the unique, irreplaceable, "the one and only" character, in a definable world. 

"Death is what gives life meaning." - The Ancient One

[@therealsilvermane]

On 2/27/2023 at 11:07 AM, jsilverjanet said:

I think the problem with Kang as the villain is that I don't think they've explained why he's such a threat

with Thanos it was easy, he wants to wipe out half the population

I'm not sure exactly what Kang wants and how that affects (me as a viewer) that it can be explained in one simple sentence

I repeat, the multiverse created a bigger mess than help tie up some of the issues with solving the threat of Thanos and bringing back the people lost from the blip

 

With Thanos, we didn’t know he wanted the Infinity Stones to wipe out half of all life until Avengers Infinity War, which was at the near end of the Infinity Saga, six or seven years after his introduction.

For Quantumania, even though it’s told in small detail what his endgame is, what’s really important to know for the story is simply that he is a powerful mass murderer who wants out of the Quantum Realm.

[godzilla43]

Everyone knew what was gonna happen with Thanos and Infinity Stones after Guardians of Galaxy 1. 

[drotto]

On 2/28/2023 at 8:16 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

With Thanos, we didn’t know he wanted the Infinity Stones to wipe out half of all life until Avengers Infinity War, which was at the near end of the Infinity Saga, six or seven years after his introduction.

For Quantumania, even though it’s told in small detail what his endgame is, what’s really important to know for the story is simply that he is a powerful mass murderer who wants out of the Quantum Realm.

But even if there are infinite numbers if Kang, they have shown he can be fairly easily defeated, twice.  They have shown him to have only the power level needed for a particular scene to work also.  I was excited when Kang show up in Loki, I am board with him already. As it seems like the general audience is also.

 

Part of what made Thanos work was making him a looming threat that was always present, but lurking and waiting. With Kang they are doing the complete oppiset, except for perhaps the reveling his unltimate goal. His only threat at this point is, we have lots more if him, and he is pretty strong, imagine if they work together. But as already stated, the unknown threat (Thanos), is far scarier and interesting, than a known villian that has already been defeated. So now you have set up the very difficult job of keeping him interesting through multiple appearances (we already know his plays a part in Loki 2).  So audience will get board with seeing him repeatedly, and seeing him lose repeatedly. With Thanos, they gave us just enough to want more, so when he was fully relieved it was great. They let him win big with his first full appearance,  so now he was a legitimate threat. While Kang is already shown as beatable. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by drotto

[Gatsby77]

More good news!

I just checked, and Quantumania's 69.9% 2nd weekend drop doesn't even make the top 5 among comic book films.

Huzzah!

Those would be:

• Steel (-78%)
• Morbius (-73.8%)
• The Crow: City of Angels (-72.1%)
• X-Men: Dark Phoenix (-71.5%)
• The Suicide Squad (-71.5%)

 

[TupennyConan]

I can't believe they made three Ant-Man movies. 

[NewWorldOrder]

If Ant-man 3 came out from 1978-2007 we all would think differently about this movie.

We also tend to forget there was a decent amount of trash MCU movies before End Game.

I didn't love it, but I definitely didn't despise it either.  It was a average but still entertaining MCU movie in the cold winter of February.

Certainly better than mostly everything since Endgame. (Spider-man doesnt count it's Sony).

Phase 4 was a complete failure from top to bottom besides Dr Strange 2 (which I think the man reason people didnt like it was because they assumed every X-men/FF character ever was going to appear in that movie, and you are a easily fooled if you had those expectations).

Zero chance you will see major changes till 2024. 

Now if they think they can roll into Captain America New World Order, Avengers Kang Dynasty, and Avengers Secret Wars with these same main character side kicks mixed with young Avengers with DC rolling out there A players then I have once message for Kevin Feige.....

 

Until they either:

Get Spider-Man more involved again

bring back the original Avengers team (New Captain America or Iron Man) somehow some way

bring in FF and X-men

Restore Hulk to being a Alpha male and "hulk smash"

Thor not being a parody of himself

Stop or way cut down on the political agenda

 

......Well things will be this boring until those changes are made.

Edited February 28, 2023 by NewWorldOrder