Bronty Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, grapeape said: Deal Breaker !!!! 2/10 WNB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstojano Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, grapeape said: I sense crafty future bidders driving the final bidding down 😂 Not a bidder, but I'd bet he used a Halloween prop from the Spirit pop up store as the model here. I know those weren't around then. Kidding aside, this cover does hit the eyes of newbies rather quickly, speaking as a relative newbie. This and the Black Cat radioactive one are quite visible online. grapeape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bronty said: 2/10 WNB. For sure WNB🤣 Hey I watched Shallow Hal with my friends. They thought Jason Alexander was crazy not to desire the beautiful girl. Not me......that toe........uggghhhh Rick2you2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusicblue Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, bluechip said: I had never see this cover, or given a moment's thought to "Harvey PCH" or "Warren Kremer," and I've never listened to that band or seen their album cover, but when I saw the prelim cover for this come up for auction years ago I bid several times what the conventional wisdom said you should pay for any prelim by a top artist featuring a top hero. I couldn't believe I didn't get it, but what happened was that someone (maybe several people) realized, even better than I did, that it was a really creative and evocative piece, regardless of whether you liked comics or had ever hear of any of the people, bands or publications involved. Or perhaps PCH OA diehards. They do exist judging from EC OA prices/results, just that I dunno how many will persist in 10+ years. Edited July 22, 2020 by exitmusicblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 hours ago, batman_fan said: Original art to this cover is coming up In the September HA auction. May be some interest in it. See what happens when you smoke cigarettes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romitaman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 10:43 PM, tth2 said: Exactly. We are talking about illustrated/commercial art here. The primary reason that it has value is that it got published and therefore needs to be in the form that was published. Suppose Marvel commissioned Frank Frazetta and Herb Trimpe to draw up alternative versions for the cover of Incredible Hulk 181, and then for whatever reason decided to go with the Trimpe version that we all know today. Despite Frazetta being a bigger name, and despite his version no doubt being clearly artistically superior to the published version by Herb Trimpe, the Frazetta version will never be as valuable as the Trimpe version. In no other world other than illustrated/commercial art (which includes comic art), will art by Frazetta be valued less than art by Trimpe simply because one was published and the other was not. not sure if this is "always" true... I do agree in general with your post but there are always a few exceptions to that rule. i owned both the published ASM 82 cover and the unpublished ASM 82 cover that got lost (was published many years later for the marvel tales version of that issue) but the unpublished asm 82 would easily sell for more than the published asm 82 cover because its just a far superior looking cover. pub cover is marie severin inked by Romita... unpub (lost) cover was all Romita. Mike Twanj, Primetime and Rick2you2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusicblue Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now caught up with all the posts, woops, gotta get in the spirit Count me in as one of those who fell in love with the art before I knew the context... orbital and pointy elbow and green skeleton flaws aside. That bracelet could match her dress better. Rick2you2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romitaman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 7:52 AM, hmendryk said: While I can see how some (many?) collectors might feel this way, I hold a different position. While being published certainly adds value to a piece of comic book art, in the end for me it is about the art. That is what an artist puts down on the paper. Stats are no more original art than the published comic book. In my collection I have a unused cover art for Captain America #125 by Marie Severin and Frank Giacoia that I personally value much more than the published version because IMO it is a much better piece of art. I am not sure I would ever purchase a piece with a stat covering some original art, but if I did I would probably have the stats removed and put a mylar overlay so that I could see and admire the artist's original intention. stunning!!! where did you get that beauty? Primetime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicnoir Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 14 hours ago, batman_fan said: Original art to this cover is coming up In the September HA auction. May be some interest in it. NC101, Squeezy McSphincter and batman_fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 hours ago, romitaman said: i owned both the published ASM 82 cover and the unpublished ASM 82 cover that got lost (was published many years later for the marvel tales version of that issue) but the unpublished asm 82 would easily sell for more than the published asm 82 cover because its just a far superior looking cover. But it's not an unpublished cover anymore, now it's the published cover for Marvel Tales 63 (which is fantastic) would sell for more than the published cover to Spidey 82 (which is ok). tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crowzilla said: But it's not an unpublished cover anymore, now it's the published cover for Marvel Tales 63 (which is fantastic) would sell for more than the published cover to Spidey 82 (which is ok). I'd take the published ASM #82 cover over the Marvel Tales #63 cover. I agree that the latter is nicer, but, main run pre-#100 ASM I think is going to trump the nicer all-Romita drawing that only saw print years later in the reprint title for many of us. For better or worse, we all remember what every ASM cover from the era looked like, but, I suspect that most of us would struggle to remember the Marvel Tales covers. Edited July 23, 2020 by delekkerste jjonahjameson11, tth2 and Timely 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmendryk Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 8 hours ago, romitaman said: stunning!!! where did you get that beauty? If I remember correctly, Heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, hmendryk said: If I remember correctly, Heritage. Yeah, it was 2 years ago. I remember because I was the underbidder. It's a really great piece, much nicer than the published cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 hours ago, comicnoir said: Looks great in B&W - no green hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, delekkerste said: I'd take the published ASM #82 cover over the Marvel Tales #63 cover. I agree that the latter is nicer, but, main run pre-#100 ASM I think is going to trump the nicer all-Romita drawing that only saw print years later in the reprint title for many of us. For better or worse, we all remember what every ASM cover from the era looked like, but, I suspect that most of us would struggle to remember the Marvel Tales covers. Boy if I had the marvel tales cover I’d wish it was main run asm and if I had the asm I’d wish it looked like the Marvel tales cover. Both have their pros and cons I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 5:52 AM, hmendryk said: While I can see how some (many?) collectors might feel this way, I hold a different position. While being published certainly adds value to a piece of comic book art, in the end for me it is about the art. That is what an artist puts down on the paper. Stats are no more original art than the published comic book. In my collection I have a unused cover art for Captain America #125 by Marie Severin and Frank Giacoia that I personally value much more than the published version because IMO it is a much better piece of art. I am not sure I would ever purchase a piece with a stat covering some original art, but if I did I would probably have the stats removed and put a mylar overlay so that I could see and admire the artist's original intention. Just wanted to chime in about how much I like this piece. It's really unique. You can see why Marvel didn't use it, it's just way too charged. And that's what makes it incredible. Congrats on owning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, szav said: I know right? And why isn't he being a good skeleton and staying in his coffin? And when he takes tries to take a sip from his goblet isn't he going to get his shirt and pants all wet?... Sorry hah...it's just funny the way some of you guys break these pieces down. To me this is an incredibly creative work of art. I wonder what inspiration he had or if he just conjured this up from his own imagination. My guess on the green bones would be that it was done perhaps to make this stand out a little more on the newsstand. It's unusual and catches the eye, and strikes a nice contrast with the red dress, and makes the entire composition a little more colorful overall. With regards to the disproportionate eye socket and hair, I look at this as being some sort of mystical goblet that lets the observer see the beast in its true form, that of a bug-eyed hag which has cast some sort of illusion of beauty upon itself, rather than it being highly accurate an x-ray machine in a glass. Like I said... that scotch (if that’s what it is) will go right “through” him. Not sure why he isn’t being a good skeleton. Maybe Daddy Skeleton was a little too hard on him growing up. Luckily his date appears to like the bad boys so he’s doing okay . As for the green bones perhaps he just needs some Gold Bond medicated powder 🤷♂️ Edited July 23, 2020 by Bronty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhamlau Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, buttock said: Just wanted to chime in about how much I like this piece. It's really unique. You can see why Marvel didn't use it, it's just way too charged. And that's what makes it incredible. Congrats on owning it. Anyone own JIM 117? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhamlau Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 hours ago, comicnoir said: Top 5, hands down (or up in this case). This is one of my favorite comics of all time. It defines horror comics for me. The entire genre is so jarring and interesting when compared to most other comics of the time, it’s no surprise what a premium those elite scare cover books go for. szucchini and ShallowDan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, zhamlau said: Anyone own JIM 117? JIM 117 strikes me as more of a generic war cover and is from '65 when Vietnam was escalating from an occupation to a response to an "attack on the US", at least in the public's eye. Public perception would be, "Hey, Thor's helping the troops!" It's cartoony to the point of silliness (the guy with the mortar is dropping the round in backward...) Cap 125 is 5 years later, more gritty, and now well into the era of protest against the war. This is post-Tet, Nixon is in office, and the US public wants us out. The art is much starker and realistic, to the point of almost being subversive when you consider the fact that it's Captain freaking America about to get stabbed in the back! hmendryk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...