Ebay offensive material policy - Just the beginning of censorship, already happening? Whats the scoop? 3 3

[VintageComics]

3 hours ago, Namtak said:

Well yeah i understand what you mean miller and others always had to fight for their idea ,marvel dc would not let them do what they wanted most of the time.dark knight returns is the culmination of his popularity that led dc to let him do it ,but he was still on a leash,thats part of the reason he is one of the co-fouder or dark horse comics.liberty of expression for a media originally made for children,and yet still critisized for his content in comics he lash out and drew the aforementioned picture of censorship that i first saw in a wizard magazine at the  age of 8 or 9.the message was cristal clear.

I think DKR was more than that (although young Frank Miler was just starting to scratch the surface of that issue of censorship). It was a divide between two different ideologies. The boy scout and the cowboy, so to speak.

And that the boy scout eventually came to realize that the cowboy's way was more practical to getting things done in the real world.

[the blob]

11 hours ago, catman76 said:

I don't understand this. So you are ok with bringing back the Coon Chicken Inn and N*gger Hair Tobacco and the tens of thousands of products and books with racist stereotypes etc? Where do you draw the line then? Stuff like this should be removed because it's f*cked up and from a culture that was f"cked up.

So somehow getting rid of disgusting racist imagery and stuff means culture is doomed? What you wrote sounds like what people said 70 years ago when racist stuff was being removed and whites only lunch counters etc were being removed and white people were freaking out about their culture being destroyed.

stop making new stuff using those things, but as memorabilia or whatever, we ought to be careful about banning stuff. maybe ebay can let you opt in to seeing stuff that might be problematic. but yeah, maybe there needs to be something, because we have folks manufacturing Camp Auschwitz and SMNE shirts right now. Ought ebay provide that with a venue?

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[the blob]

16 hours ago, Jimmy Linguini said:

maybe say "anti-nazi comic" in the description, i dunno

 

[Shrevvy]

2 hours ago, Prince Namor said:

Not if you just want to read it - which is the actual point of books... and book censorship...

Actual censorship would be trying to keep you from reading it. You still CAN, for free.

I don't want to join the debate, but I doubt the kindle edition (free or otherwise) will be there much longer. The publisher is no longer publishing the book. Kindle editions exist at the behest of the publisher. If there was a publishing agreement for those digital rights (which I am sure there is - I've had a Kindle Unlimited edition on Amazon and we agreed to a fixed time period), the Kindle edition would last until the end of that agreement. It is no different than selling through what hard copies existed prior to the publisher making the decision to no longer produce new copies. 

[the blob]

10 hours ago, William-James88 said:

Would this be?

those look like he would cut his bottom lip a lot

[jcjames]

6 hours ago, HotKey said:

When they are yelling about Dr. Seuss books but these are the lyrics to the song of the year which is celebrated... something is wrong.

Exactly. They call this "positivity".

Wrong is right, down is up, black is white, this society is deeply infected.

And a correction is on its way.

[snitzer]

eBay community forums be like this today...

[the blob]

18 minutes ago, jcjames said:

Exactly. They call this "positivity".

Wrong is right, down is up, black is white, this society is deeply infected.

And a correction is on its way.

who is "they"? which one is this? i've porobablly heard it on the radio. thankfully, i can't make out most of the lyrics in these songs. they're almost in a different language that my ancient ears cannot understand.

[Jeffro.]

On 3/4/2021 at 6:46 AM, Pontoon said:

On 3/4/2021 at 6:42 AM, Ryan. said:

So are you. 

The early bird gathers no moss.

A rolling stone crushes the worm

[jcjames]

43 minutes ago, the blob said:

who is "they"? which one is this? i've porobablly heard it on the radio. thankfully, i can't make out most of the lyrics in these songs. they're almost in a different language that my ancient ears cannot understand.

This song won top multiple awards (American Music and People's Choice awards) and critical acclaim for its "sex-positive feminism" last year. "Sex-Positive Feminism" is a growing and widely popular (as evidenced by this multi-award winning "song") social movement to progress feminism to embrace and support the pornographic portrayal of women. Yes, that's exactly it's purpose - to oppose those feminists who viewed pornography as demeaning to and objectifying of women.

There is no bottom to the gutter that American culture (especially urban culture) is swirling down into at an accelerating pace.

I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, Commodores, Manhattans, Diana Ross, Al Green and so many others. Motown was in high rotation in my house as a kid. What kids are filling their heads with today is pure toxic soul-killing poison. 

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[the blob]

3 minutes ago, jcjames said:

This song won top multiple awards (American Music and People's Choice awards) and critical acclaim for its "sex-positive feminism" last year. "Sex-Positive Feminism" is a growing and widely popular (as evidenced by this multi-award winning "song") social movement to progress feminism to embrace and support the pornographic portrayal of women. Yes, that's exactly it's purpose - to oppose those feminists who viewed pornography as demeaning to and objectifying of women.

There is no bottom to the gutter that American culture (especially urban culture) is swirling down into at an accelerating pace.

I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, Commodores, Manhattans, Diana Ross, Al Green and so many others. Motown was in high rotation in my house as a kid. What kids are filling their heads with today is pure toxic soul-killing poison. 

i was asking who the "artist" is. anyway, it sounds like she is making a request for services. unlike the male version of the guy saying what he's gonna do to some woman he is objectifying. totally different.   anyway, this is a woman portraying herself in a pornographic way, it's a little different

[jcjames]

11 minutes ago, the blob said:

i was asking who the "artist" is. anyway, it sounds like she is making a request for services. unlike the male version of the guy saying what he's gonna do to some woman he is objectifying. totally different.   anyway, this is a woman portraying herself in a pornographic way, it's a little different

Cardi B. Female rapper, and porn "star". Yes, this is what is celebrated in American culture today, while Dr. Seuss is censored and pulled from feebay listings, meanwhile "non-violent" cop-killer and "inoffensive" porn lyrics pull awards and sales all across America's decaying sprawling urban dystopia . 

 

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[MatterEaterLad]

I've been watching this thread from the sidelines for a while.

I'm 1/2 Chinese and my take is this:

The people who are crying "WHERE WILL THIS CENSORSHIP END?" are overreacting just as much as the people who seem to want to ban everything.

Are they going to ban Mein Kampf? No, of course not, because it's not read to freakin' six-year olds (unless you're in a really weird household ). Are they going to ban the sale of Golden Age depictions of racial stereotypes? I sure hope not. But again no one is reading Marvel Mystery Comics #30 to their kids at bedtime. I have that particular issue and love the history of it. I also own a bunch of Asian stereotype comics, like Charlie Chan, because to me they're interesting history.

I'm fine with certain Dr. Seuss books being retired just like certain Disney movies with racist tropes being retired -- because they're aimed at children.

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[Ryan.]

30 minutes ago, MatterEaterLad said:

I've been watching this thread from the sidelines for a while.

I'm 1/2 Chinese and my take is this:

The people who are crying "WHERE WILL THIS CENSORSHIP END?" are overreacting just as much as the people who seem to want to ban everything.

Are they going to ban Mein Kampf? No, of course not, because it's not read to freakin' six-year olds (unless you're in a really weird household ). Are they going to ban the sale of Golden Age depictions of racial stereotypes? I sure hope not. But again no one is reading Marvel Mystery Comics #30 to their kids at bedtime. I have that particular issue and love the history of it. I also own a bunch off Asian stereotype comics, like Charlie Chan, because to me they're interesting history.

I'm fine with certain Dr. Seuss books being retired just like certain Disney movies with racist tropes being retired -- because they're aimed at children.

My 

 

 

I think this thread is about a bunch of adult white guys worried that their culture is being ruined because they can't celebrate racism via Dr. Suess books. 

[MatterEaterLad]

14 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

I think this thread is about a bunch of adult white guys worried that their culture is being ruined because they can't celebrate racism via Dr. Suess books. 

Some people forget that certain mis-truths can be taken literally by others.

I sat on a plane one time next to a women watching Gone With the Wind. It was her favorite film and she treated it almost like a documentary in that she swore there were slaves who happily fought for the South, because they had such great lives. Ironically, I was flying to Atlanta to give a talk at the Margaret Mitchell House. 

[the blob]

1 hour ago, jcjames said:

Cardi B. Female rapper, and porn "star". Yes, this is what is celebrated in American culture today, while Dr. Seuss is censored and pulled from feebay listings, meanwhile "non-violent" cop-killer and "inoffensive" porn lyrics pull awards and sales all across America's decaying sprawling urban dystopia . 

 

well, it is sort of comparing apples to oranges (racism to porn). I am anti racism. I have no problem with porn in principle. I'd like to not expose young kids to it, true. And its probably  good business decision to retire these particular books from publication.  As for the cop killer stuff, I imagine ebay might take issue with that too. I can't really defend the lyrics. Record labels should put pressure to stop that sort of stuff.

[the blob]

"What kids are filling their heads with today is pure toxic soul-killing poison."

I was a teen listening to Guns & Roses and Metallica. G&R had an awful lot of drug glorification and misogynism. Metallica's earlier stuff had an awful lot of murder and mayhem in it. 

[jsilverjanet]

36 minutes ago, MatterEaterLad said:

Some people forget that certain mis-truths can be taken literally by others.

I sat on a plane one time next to a women watching Gone With the Wind. It was her favorite film and she treated it almost like a documentary in that she swore there were slaves who happily fought for the South, because they had such great lives. Ironically, I was flying to Atlanta to give a talk at the Margaret Mitchell House. 

The phrase I hate hearing is "what's the big deal" 

well maybe not to you but...

[the blob]

Just now, jsilverjanet said:

The phrase I hate hearing is "what's the big deal" 

well maybe not to you but...

the stuff about happy slaves was practically pushed as history in southern textbooks into the 50s. i even read some geriatrics on facebook saying stuff like that. 

 

[the blob]

11 minutes ago, the blob said:

"What kids are filling their heads with today is pure toxic soul-killing poison."

I was a teen listening to Guns & Roses and Metallica. G&R had an awful lot of drug glorification and misogynism. Metallica's earlier stuff had an awful lot of murder and mayhem in it. 

to clarify, i'm an almost 50 year old still listening to that stuff. i'm not really listening for lyrics at this point. appetite for destruction is maybe one of the greatest albums of all time. if you take all the lyrics at face value, yikes...