Ed Hanes Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) This has a quarter inch tear in back. I am waiting to get this signed by McFarlane and will do a CGC SS but I am curious as to what you may think the grade is. The pages are white to Off/white and intact inside Edited April 24, 2021 by Ed Hanes Galen130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Colman Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I'm a total newbie at this, but I wanna have a crack at it, I feel like with the tear, the dents across the top of the BC and the couple of spine ticks, it's probably in the 8.0 range? I wouldn't take my word for it, wait to hear from the pros, I just wanted to put my guess out there. Great copy overall, presents beautifully on the FC KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Devin Colman said: I'm a total newbie at this, but I wanna have a crack at it, I feel like with the tear, the dents across the top of the BC and the couple of spine ticks, it's probably in the 8.0 range? I wouldn't take my word for it, wait to hear from the pros, I just wanted to put my guess out there. Great copy overall, presents beautifully on the FC I was thinking around an 8.0 too...it has a really nice sheen and it's flat KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen130 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 7.5/8.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am The Answer! Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Always difficult to grade an otherwise nice looking book with a defect like this. The Answer is: 7.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The lips Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Really nice copy, shame about the tear. 7.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 7.5 Nice looking book! GL with the Todd signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_in_Canada Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 7.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 8 hours ago, KCOComics said: 7.5 Nice looking book! GL with the Todd signing! I know he's particular about signings..hoping he does another private CGC in house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpoolica Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH1964 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 10:30 PM, I Am The Answer! said: Always difficult to grade an otherwise nice looking book with a defect like this. The Answer is: 7.0 Yep, tears are bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MPH1964 said: Yep, tears are bad... From research in CGC chat boards..that is a matter entirely of opinion ..doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on tears and from what little evidence people have shown, it would not be anymore than a 0.5 to 1.0 grade reduction from CGC (for a 1/4" tear), especially on the back cover. Found this too on youtube. PGX gave ASM 7 with multiple back tears and large creases plus a half inch tear (puncture wound) a 7.5. CGC gave a 9.0 to a Tales to astonish book with a quarter inch tear on spine (had other imperfections including a good sized moisture stain) Edited April 27, 2021 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH1964 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Ed Hanes said: From research in CGC chat boards..that is a matter entirely of opinion ..doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on tears and from what little evidence people have shown, it would not be anymore than a 0.5 to 1.0 grade reduction from CGC (for a 1/4" tear), especially on the back cover. Found this too on youtube. PGX gave ASM 7 with multiple back tears and large creases plus a half inch tear (puncture wound) a 7.5. CGC gave a 9.0 to a Tales to astonish book with a quarter inch tear on spine (had other imperfections including a good sized moisture stain) Well, I understand your argument, and you make a good point regarding grade reduction. But just a half grade difference can literally mean 100’s or even 1000’s of dollars in the value of the book. In the case of ASM 300, just a half grade drop from 7.5 to 7.0 is $125. Using your TTA example: For Tales to Astonish 27 (I understand that this likely isn’t the issue you were describing, so please forgive my whimsical bit of hyperbole) a grade drop from 9.2 to 9.0 is $200,000. So a small grade drop (due to a tear or otherwise) is not necessarily insignificant. So, I stand by my statement: Tears are bad. (And perhaps in some cases, really bad.) Disclaimer: No comics were harmed in the typing of this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) Well, I didn't say tears 'weren't' bad..I was implying that it depends on the situation. Tears 'could' be bad, for sure...but it depends ..which is the point I was trying to make and I think is a very important distinction in communication regarding comic book grading. 'Tears are bad' just doesn't convey useful information..although, your follow up response is much more useful. Lots of things can drop a grade from 9.2 to 9.0 or 9.0 to 8.5 or 8.0 to 7.5 ..so, IDK how much a quarter inch tear really effects the grading...it's definitely not spelled out anywhere. Seems to be more of a personal choice for people and a proprietary decision for CGC (meaning, they don't want to tell us how it effects the grading) Edited April 27, 2021 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) On 4/26/2021 at 2:34 PM, Deadpoolica said: 6.5 agreed on 6.5 Hard to see higher than 7.0 Edited April 29, 2021 by Funnybooks Deadpoolica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolverineX Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 7.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croatbag Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I'm a 7.5 thought could be a 7, not exactly sure the math on tears.. Think this book is an 8.5 if the tear wasn't there, maybe a 9 if a press worked out well. BC tear like that I think a point or so deduction is fair. If it was on the front then maybe you'd be looking in the 6s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 I think I may send it in as is just so we can all have a good case study of what a tear like this represents. Can't find any similar examples online. Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ed Hanes said: I think I may send it in as is just so we can all have a good case study of what a tear like this represents. Can't find any similar examples online. Good luck...I had an ASM 129 with a similar tear on the FC that was graded at 7.0 that I thought presented slightly nicer than your book and thus my guess of 6.5 ) I hope it finds itself in the vf range...we tend to be conservative around here, except @Deadpoolica who's always seems to be spot on ( no pressure ) Deadpoolica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Funnybooks said: Good luck...I had an ASM 129 with a similar tear on the FC that was graded at 7.0 that I thought presented slightly nicer than your book and thus my guess of 6.5 ) I hope it finds itself in the vf range...we tend to be conservative around here, except @Deadpoolica who's always seems to be spot on ( no pressure ) DeadPoolica is not always spot on ..he or she has undervalued greatly on a couple grades that have already come in. Predicted a 3.5 on ASM`14 that turned out to be a 5.0. Predicted a 7.5 on anASM 121 (9.0)..and that's just from what I noticed just doing research on a couple books for grades that have come in. I bet if you looked at each person's grading standard deviation, deadpoolica would be about the same as a lot of people..no offense deadpoolica Edited April 29, 2021 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
