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Are prices still climbing or have they eased up a bit???
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On 10/2/2024 at 5:06 PM, bc said:

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It's just incredible to me that the most important book of the Silver Age sells for less than the 2nd most important book of the Silver Age just because the character is more popular. 

In the GA, Action #1 is by far the more important book, even though many argue that Detective #27 has the better character and it always sells for more. 

That the FF #1 sells for 1/3rd of what an AF #15 sells for is absolutely plain crazy.

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On 10/2/2024 at 2:13 PM, VintageComics said:

It's just incredible to me that the most important book of the Silver Age sells for less than the 2nd most important book of the Silver Age just because the character is more popular. 

In the GA, Action #1 is by far the more important book, even though many argue that Detective #27 has the better character and it always sells for more. 

That the FF #1 sells for 1/3rd of what an AF #15 sells for is absolutely plain crazy.

isn't it always supply versus demand.  the demand for AF15 is easily stronger than FF1? (shrug)

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On 10/2/2024 at 5:16 PM, Spiderturtle said:

isn't it always supply versus demand.  the demand for AF15 is easily stronger than FF1? (shrug)

Sure, but the question is, why is the demand for an AF #15 so great that it costs 3 times more than FF #1?

Even Hulk #1 is selling for more than FF #1 lately.

This all makes FF #1, which is the Action #1 of the Silver Age look like an absolute bargain these days. 

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On 10/2/2024 at 5:16 PM, Spiderturtle said:

isn't it always supply versus demand.  the demand for AF15 is easily stronger than FF1? (shrug)

As a previous owner of an Avengers 1, I think it should be priced higher than FF 1. I'm ready for your comments.

 

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On 10/2/2024 at 5:29 PM, surfertso said:

As a previous owner of an Avengers 1, I think it should be priced higher than FF 1. I'm ready for your comments.

 

Both are great books but to me FF1 is a far more important and desirable book.  But we all float different boats

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On 10/2/2024 at 6:49 AM, aokartman said:

Wondering if pressing is so common and routine that many/most comics pictured in major auctions are pressed, even if still raw?  David

At a certain dollar amount, I would assume the books are pressed. If we're talking about a bunch of copper and moderns that sell for 20 30 bucks probably not.

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On 10/2/2024 at 7:29 PM, surfertso said:

As a previous owner of an Avengers 1, I think it should be priced higher than FF 1. I'm ready for your comments.

 

The Avengers are at the center of the MCU, but Avengers #1 will always be a notch below other Marvel SA #1s simply because it doesn't feature the first appearance of any character.

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FF1 suffers right now because a lot of value is at least in part driven by movies, and in the case of Spidey it also has the nostalgia with the old TV cartoon that many of grew up watching. A lot of people dislike the FF movies that were released before the MCU started up in earnest. As someone who collected FF as long as I collected comics I think a lot of that hate is overblown and those movies were not as terrible as people make them out to be, but I realize I am in the minority there. Another thing that hurts FF value compared to Spidey is that the early part of the Amazing Spider-Man run is ridiculously key-heavy, which made it a dream for both collectors and dealers. It became capital C "Collectable." 

Anyway, the current MCU has not released movies with FF yet since the rights only recently flipped back. If people love those movies (a big if nowadays) then I expect the value of FF1 to shoot up pretty quickly. 

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On 10/2/2024 at 5:24 PM, VintageComics said:

Sure, but the question is, why is the demand for an AF #15 so great that it costs 3 times more than FF #1?

Even Hulk #1 is selling for more than FF #1 lately.

This all makes FF #1, which is the Action #1 of the Silver Age look like an absolute bargain these days. 

Because Fantastic Four stinks in the theater, 3rd attempt (not counting Corman) is coming up.  3rd and last attempt, I imagine.

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Prices seem to be all over the place in the current ComicConnect auction. I was able to find some good buys in the first two sessions, but the first two parts of the Ruben Blades sale have been perplexing.  I thought more of the books would go for cheap since there are a lot of low grades with restoration, missing pages, and slightly brittle pages.  Most of the ones I've been interested in seem to be going for right around current GPA but too high for me considering the condition.  Maybe Mr. Blades has more cachet with collectors than I thought?

Seems like there is still a lot of BIG buyers out there to buy the BIG books for BIG money.  I'm pretty shocked to still be seeing spending increases like this.

Four of the sales that stood out to me:

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This same book sold for $53K in 2018.

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A 4.5 sold for $50K in 2019 and a 5.0 sold for $108K in 2022.  This one seems like a reach to me.

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Same book sold for $3.8K in 2022.

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Three restored sales, 7.0 A5 in 2021 for $336K, 7.0 A1 in 2022 for $384K and a 7.5 A3 for $351K.

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On 10/2/2024 at 7:29 PM, surfertso said:

As a previous owner of an Avengers 1, I think it should be priced higher than FF 1. I'm ready for your comments.

 

How do you figure that?

Avengers #1 has always been valued less, it came out later, is more common and less important?

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On 10/2/2024 at 11:34 PM, vheflin said:
On 10/2/2024 at 5:24 PM, VintageComics said:

Sure, but the question is, why is the demand for an AF #15 so great that it costs 3 times more than FF #1?

Even Hulk #1 is selling for more than FF #1 lately.

This all makes FF #1, which is the Action #1 of the Silver Age look like an absolute bargain these days. 

Because Fantastic Four stinks in the theater, 3rd attempt (not counting Corman) is coming up.  3rd and last attempt, I imagine.

If it were just movie appeal, I guess it doesn't explain why Hulk #1 is as expensive as FF #1.

The last Hulk movie was 16 years ago, and it was decent but the 1st one kind of stank and there is no projected Hulk movie in the future. 

Whatever it is, if I was a Warren Buffett, I'd be buying FF #1 now. 

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On 10/3/2024 at 3:15 AM, VintageComics said:

If it were just movie appeal, I guess it doesn't explain why Hulk #1 is as expensive as FF #1.

The last Hulk movie was 16 years ago, and it was decent but the 1st one kind of stank and there is no projected Hulk movie in the future. 

Whatever it is, if I was a Warren Buffett, I'd be buying FF #1 now. 

Even with the price disparity I'd still be buying all the ASM keys I could.  My worry is FF 4 could pass into obscurity unless they can be part of a great movie which resonates with younger people.  Spidey has won his way into the hearts of the young and old and should maintain his popularity into the future but I'm not sure about FF 4.  I've always been a hater of the FF 4 (other than loving the Byrne art in the 80s) so I'm not a great litmus test but I just don't see them being popular in the future. 

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On 10/3/2024 at 8:59 AM, 1Cool said:

I've always been a hater of the FF 4

Wow. I've never heard anyone say this before. 

They were one of my favorite franchises growing up and even though I liked Spidey, I wasn't really a huge Spidey fan. 

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That aside, there was a time when Action #1 wasn't the most valuable book in the OSPG and value was driven by popularity rather actual importance. 

Whiz #1 was even equal to the other big keys at one time.

Then, over time Marvel #1 pulled ahead and became more valuable than Action #1 and Detective #27. 

During Batmania in 1989 that changed and Detective #27 surpassed Marvel #1 until finally Action #1 surpassed both and has stayed the most valuable book since.

I can see how the juggling of FF movie rights can affect short term popularity, but I just don't see FF passing into obscurity. It's quite literally the book that cemented the Silver Age and that most of the Marvel universe came out of.

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On 10/3/2024 at 10:54 AM, VintageComics said:

Wow. I've never heard anyone say this before. 

They were one of my favorite franchises growing up and even though I liked Spidey, I wasn't really a huge Spidey fan. 

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That aside, there was a time when Action #1 wasn't the most valuable book in the OSPG and value was driven by popularity rather actual importance. 

Whiz #1 was even equal to the other big keys at one time.

Then, over time Marvel #1 pulled ahead and became more valuable than Action #1 and Detective #27. 

During Batmania in 1989 that changed and Detective #27 surpassed Marvel #1 until finally Action #1 surpassed both and has stayed the most valuable book since.

I can see how the juggling of FF movie rights can affect short term popularity, but I just don't see FF passing into obscurity. It's quite literally the book that cemented the Silver Age and that most of the Marvel universe came out of.

I've always gravitated towards X-Men titles when I first started collecting in the early 80s and then I added Punisher / Spidey titles as the 80s went on.  I honestly don't know if I ever bought a FF4 book for my collection as a teen (early 20s) just because I hated the few story lines I did read.  I did get into the Silver Surfer story line in the early 1990s so I do agree the FF4 series has a lot of important 1st appearances and the Kirby art in the 60 / 70s stuff is pretty great.  But in terms of liking the series I just have never liked the FF4 and I'm finally free to admit it to the world :)

Pivotal 1st appearances will probably always have a market so I'd not bet on complete obscurity but I'd bet on the gap between it and other key 1st appearances getting larger rather than smaller.  

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On 10/3/2024 at 7:54 AM, VintageComics said:

Wow. I've never heard anyone say this before. 

They were one of my favorite franchises growing up and even though I liked Spidey, I wasn't really a huge Spidey fan. 

 

I've always liked the FF better than Spiderman as well. For those who remember there was a FF cartoon back in the '60s as well, I remember watching it every Saturday morning and I especially liked the Galactus/Silver Surfer episode.

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