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[Flanders82]

@Domo Arigato @kav Can you guys take your discussion to a private AOL chat room so we can get back on topic?

[Buzzetta]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:21 AM, COI said:

Why does this discussion all of a sudden hinge on Dan's involvement in the hobby? Is Dan the only critic of this video? Does Dan's involvement in the hobby have anything to do with either the argument being made in this video, or the claims being made against Heritage?

 

Did I say it did?  

Edited August 27, 2021 by Buzzetta

[Flanders82]

On 8/26/2021 at 11:24 PM, kav said:

Dont put me in the same category with him.  He's flinging insults and I am merely stating my position in a mature fashion.

Wasn't trying to strike a nerve, was just an attempt at humor.  I agree @Domo Arigato shouldn't have gotten personal with his short bus comments. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Flanders82

[COI]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:23 AM, Buzzetta said:

Did I say it did?  

You said it "reframes the positions around here", and the last several pages have consisted of people arguing about whether or not Dan's involvement was common knowledge, and how that knowledge affects the conversation. 

So yeah, the conversation is certainly going in that direction, and there is an implied gravity to Dan's role in the conversation, despite the fact that he hasn't actually been the most vocal critic of the video. 

[Buzzetta]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:27 AM, COI said:

You said it "reframes the positions around here", and the last several pages have consisted of people arguing about whether or not Dan's involvement was common knowledge, and how that knowledge affects the conversation. 

So yeah, the conversation is certainly going in that direction, and there is an implied gravity to Dan's role in the conversation, despite the fact that he hasn't actually been the most vocal critic of the video. 

Is that all you got out of it?

let me sum up

Heritage employs a crook.  The crook does crooked things to benefit himself and other crooks.  The crook has a history of being a crook and doing crooked things. 
 

Dan is not a crook. But, Dan and OTHER people like him while standing on the sidelines watching DO benefit from the actions of the crooks and the maintaining of the status quo. Therefore it does definitely lend insight as to the reasoning behind his argument. 

[COI]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:29 AM, Buzzetta said:

 

Is that all you got out of it?

let me sum up

Heritage employs a crook.  The crook does crooked things to benefit himself and other crooks.  The crook has a history of being a crook and doing crooked things. 
 

Dan is not a crook. But, Dan and OTHER people like him while standing on the sidelines watching DO benefit from the actions of the crooks and the maintaining of the status quo. Therefore it does definitely lend insight as to the reasoning behind his argument. 

What about all the comic collectors consigning books to Heritage? 

To be clear, I'm not making a claim here, I'm trying to understand how Dan differs from any of the dozens or hundreds of COMIC collectors on here, reading this right now, who do business with Heritage. 

[Buzzetta]

I like both of you but I have to say the AOL chat room comment made me laugh. Lol 😂 

[Buzzetta]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:33 AM, COI said:

What about all the comic collectors consigning books to Heritage? 

To be clear, I'm not making a claim here, I'm trying to understand how Dan differs from any of the dozens or hundreds of COMIC collectors on here, reading this right now, who do business with Heritage. 

I mentioned that… seriously I know it’s late / early but read what I wrote.  It gives me concern because I DO collect all the other stuff and have used heritage as an agent to acquire these things. 

[COI]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:38 AM, Buzzetta said:

I mentioned that… seriously I know it’s late / early but read what I wrote.  It gives me concern because I DO collect all the other stuff and have used heritage as an agent to acquire these things. 

You're misinterpreting the intent of my posts/questions, and maybe that's my fault. I did read what you wrote, and that's why I'm responding to you, because you at least seem interested in engaging. 

I think it's unfair that the current of the conversation - not strictly your point/post - is drifting towards Dan and his involvement in the hobby because it's ultimately irrelevant, given the stuff you've pointed out. I agree with your take on the manipulation across multiple hobbies, believe it or not. As I've said many times now, it's possible to hold the view that this video has flaws, AND that there are problems with Heritage/Halperin's involvement in the hobby. These points are not mutually exclusive, except to those who insist on painting this issue in black/white.

[Flanders82]

On 8/26/2021 at 11:43 PM, Domo Arigato said:

You want me to stay on topic?  Like trying to decide how many man-breasts you want to see on a cover?

 

 

 

I wish that Plastic Man comic didn't have the polka dot guy or his breasts on the cover.   I like how you looked through my past posts to try to find something to criticize me over. I'm used to things over on the CBCS forum, where personal insults result in temporary suspensions.  I couldn't care less about staying on topic, but constant insults and bickering back and forth is quite annoying.   

Edited August 27, 2021 by Flanders82

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/27/2021 at 1:23 AM, Flanders82 said:

@Domo Arigato @kav Can you guys take your discussion to a private AOL chat room so we can get back on topic?

On 8/27/2021 at 1:35 AM, Buzzetta said:

I like both of you but I have to say the AOL chat room comment made me laugh. Lol 😂 

 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

A lot of Fireworks in here tonight.. 

[Buzzetta]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:45 AM, COI said:

You're misinterpreting the intent of my posts/questions, and maybe that's my fault. I did read what you wrote, and that's why I'm responding to you, because you at least seem interested in engaging. 

I think it's unfair that the current of the conversation - not strictly your point/post - is drifting towards Dan and his involvement in the hobby because it's ultimately irrelevant, given the stuff you've pointed out. I agree with your take on the manipulation across multiple hobbies, believe it or not. As I've said many times now, it's possible to hold the view that this video has flaws, AND that there are problems with Heritage/Halperin's involvement in the hobby. These points are not mutually exclusive, except to those who insist on painting this issue in black/white.

Damn you and your even handed response.  I am getting out of bed at 2:55 in the morning to type this properly. 

I don't think that Bronty / Dan is being targeted as an individual when he is named. (Dan I do not think you are being targeted as an individual because I am sure you are going to read this.). Bronty / Dan is being named as a representation of all of the guys out there that are heavily invested in this, that sit on the sidelines and have absolutely nothing to do with the price manipulation scheme that Halperin and Wata are accused of orchestrating. 

However, despite not having a hand in price manipulation, they do benefit and they do have an interest in the maintenance of that status quo until they have cashed out at what they perceive to be the apex of the market regardless of how that market arrived to that point. 

It's no secret that I have a basement full of something that almost no one on the boards has.  That's right.  Brick City.   There is Lego everywhere.   If Halperin got himself in the Lego game and started messing around with Lego sales, and all of a sudden the price of the first modular building, Cafe Corner, went from $800 to $800,000, I would be cheering it on.  If you. owned Cafe Corner why wouldn't you?  

So when I refer to Bronty, or when I addressed the 'why does it matter?' question from @Domo Arigato that was the motivation behind my answer.   My responses here, at least when it comes to video games, is probably less biased than others.  Bronty any anyone else who possess these graded video games are going to have a vested financial and emotional interest in seeing the status quo preserved.  I want everyone reading to realize what I wrote.  There is a difference between 'preserving the status quo' and 'seeing the status quo preserved.'

I agree with you that the video probably has its flaws.  There are a couple of stretches I noticed and I am sure that if I was more fully versed in video games I would be able to point them out.  I also question the motivations of the people that made it.  However, the premise does have merit given the background of the players involved. 

When a no longer seen board member was involved in scamming people with fish tanks and was eventually caught, he moved on to toys.  When he was involved in scamming people with toys, he moved on to comics.  When he was involved in scamming people with comics, he moved on someplace else and says he is 'getting help.'  

I knew that Halperin was involved in the coin nonsense.  I never knew he was involved in mail fraud at 13 and at the age of 13 he had to pay back $100,000 by his own admittance.  If that evil little mastermind didn't learn his lesson then and moved on to coins, then is it a stretch to say that he is doing the same with video games?  Is it a stretch to say that he has done it with comics?   Do you know how many times I shoot a link to a Heritage Auction to someone on these boards and say, "Where did we last see this?"

We talk about a bubble bursting.  My concern in all of this is that the bubble bursts with video games and then there is a trickle down affect down the line to anything else the crook has touched. 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Buzzetta

[greggy]

On 8/26/2021 at 11:58 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

That's what she said. 

[Buzzetta]

On 8/27/2021 at 3:14 AM, greggy said:

That's what she said. 

And this is what it sounded like: 

 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:14 AM, greggy said:

That's what she said. 

Thought she was only into hookers and meth..

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:17 AM, Buzzetta said:

And this is what it sounded like: 

 

[greggy]

On 8/27/2021 at 12:17 AM, Buzzetta said:

And this is what it sounded like: 

 

I remember tying up my phone line for hours and people complain that they couldn't reach me during the pre-cellphone days. 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:25 AM, greggy said:

I remember tying up my phone line for hours and people complain that they couldn't reach me during the pre-cellphone days. 

Those were the days.. I had two separate lines one for the dial up and another land line.. although most of the time I used the original call block or ignore feature. 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:29 AM, Domo Arigato said:

man-boob fetish