Heritage Marvel Comics 1 CGC 9.0 161K???

[Aman619]

but was that chicken and egg? meaning was the 250 so high that it pulled up the 5.5 price?

[Rip]

Isn't that how it usually is. You should ask how much was paid for the MH copy way back when

[action1kid]

Yes Amano, I do think that the 7.5 supes 1 was a wacky price agreed.

But i still think that a supes 1 in 9.0 will out do a marvel 1 in 9.0.Dont you?

[action1kid]

but was that chicken and egg? meaning was the 250 so high that it pulled up the 5.5 price?

 

Yes i agree!

 

But my question is, what do you think is worth more an

 

unrestored 9.0 superman #1

OR

unrestored 9.0 marvel #1

[Aman619]

well thats easy for me! Superman #1 YES. Marvel #1 NO WAY

[action1kid]

Isn't that how it usually is. You should ask how much was paid for the MH copy way back when

 

The answer to this question is well over 200k in the mid 1990s.

It sits on the cgc census today as an 8.0

[action1kid]

Agreed amano!

Thats the question i was asking. I agree with all your other points.

[Aman619]

Isn't that how it usually is. You should ask how much was paid for the MH copy way back when

 

The answer to this question is well over 200k in the mid 1990s.

It sits on the cgc census today as an 8.0

 

I know. Beschara paid an unseemly sum, in monthly installments yrt, and actually paid it off. And it was still restored then too!

[PedigreeMan]

Hammer can argue that the book was color touched and perhaps he's correct. I have no clue so I can't take either side of the debate.

 

Hammer's argument is all about agendas and taking advantage of the current level of paranoia that's pervading our boards. Until there's proof, ignore him.

 

The problem with this particular scenario is, of course, how does one prove whether this Marvel #1 has color touch on it or not? If Filter even decided there was merit to the case, where does he send it? Back to CGC? If they (more than likely) say, "Nope, no color touch there," we're right back to square one; the conspiracy people say CGC is covering this up, the apologists say, "Phew, that was close," and the proof remains elusive.

 

The other option is to crack the slab and send it off to a restoration expert. But, oops, now the "guarantee" is void and if color touch is found CGC and Heritage will wash their hands of the situation. And then Filter's out $125K.

 

So what's the answer?

[action1kid]

That is all true.It was restored at the time.

It is not one of the pristine mile high books unfortunatly.I think one of the second hand books like the tec 27 was in that collection.

I heard a recent story about him using the book as collateral for something or other.You hear that gossip?

[Rip]

He's got a huge scan of the book to back it up. Nothings really wrong with getting other opinions of the upper corner.

[action1kid]

Scans of that Marvel 1 have been around for a while.Why has no one ever spotted it before?[Possible color touch]

[Rip]

The earlier scan was darker. Honestly I doubt it has a color touch.

 

But then if I spent over 100K on the book I would double check with someone.

[Aman619]

That is all true.It was restored at the time.

It is not one of the pristine mile high books unfortunatly.I think one of the second hand books like the tec 27 was in that collection.

I heard a recent story about him using the book as collateral for something or other.You hear that gossip?

 

yeah a loan from an official at a bank or something that was in hot water for loaning their cash against collectibles... it was posted here awhile back.

[FlamingCarrot]

I would be shocked if CGC missed a color touch on a book like this (or even on any book for that matter).

 

There is a huge difference between detecting most restoration and trimming. Remember, trimming happens to every book. So the key is determining if it was done at the time of printing or much later. Even the best professionals say it is possibly the hardest type of restoration to detect (and I'm excluding pressing as it is impossible to detect at times, and not considered restoration by some).

 

 

I wouldn't be that shocked, but then again, I'm a rather cynical person.

 

We know for a fact CGC misses restoration.

 

You would think CGC would catch restoration on a book of this caliber. You would think there's no way in hell CGC would bump up in grade a $150,000 comic, but guess what? It happens.

 

Forgive me, but after all that's come out lately, if something looks like color touch (is going to disagree that it doesn't look like color touch?), I'm inclined to go with what I see and not play CGC apologist.

[action1kid]

Thats probably were i heard it.

[PedigreeMan]

He's got a huge scan of the book to back it up. Nothings really wrong with getting other opinions of the upper corner.

 

My only point is that in order to get a truly, honest-to-goodness, no-foolin' is it or is it not restored call on the book, one is going to have to break it out of its slab. And once that happens, unless one partakes in an insanely complicated, CSI-worthy chain of custody plan, CGC and Heritage are going to cry foul and balk at refunding any money.

 

Then Mark Zaid makes some more money, I guess.

[action1kid]

Bechara estimated its collateral value at 500k..Yea, he wishes....Restored one day,unrestored the next. Restored or Unrestored,Work has been done to the book and that fact can never be taken away.

[Rip]

If its shown that the darker area is color touch...then its 100% clear it happened before the slab was cracked. Right??

[Aces]

Hammer crazy in more of a "Silence of the Lambs...You're SHEEP ready for the slaughter." way

 

KK's in more of a loveable "LOOK how F-ING crazy I can get about OA" way

 

Yep.

 

Hammer = Hannibal from "Silence of the Lambs".

KK = The cable guy from "The Cable Guy".