APDallas Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Can anyone tell me what is the actual first appearance of SGT.ROCK? I keep getting conflicting info. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Quick answer today is Our Army at War 83. Used to be 81 until a decade ago… as the hobby settled on 83. DC war books were anthologies, 3 unrelated stories in each comic, with no repeat characters or continuity. Plus, the US defense dept coinage Able, Baker, Charlie divisions (Easy Company? Not sure if Easy was real or. made up…) led to a lot of stories of Easy Company featuring its sergeant. These have been considered “prototypes”. There are a lot of discussions here about the slight differences in 81, 82 and 83 as Sgt Rocky “coalesced” into one main character plus individual soldiers in Easy Company for the remainder of their adventures. aardvark88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APDallas Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/11/2021 at 9:49 AM, Aman619 said: Quick answer today is Our Army at War 83. Used to be 81 until a decade ago… as the hobby settled on 83. DC war books were anthologies, 3 unrelated stories in each comic, with no repeat characters or continuity. Plus, the US defense dept coinage Able, Baker, Charlie divisions (Easy Company? Not sure if Easy was real or. made up…) led to a lot of stories of Easy Company featuring its sergeant. These have been considered “prototypes”. There are a lot of discussions here about the slight differences in 81, 82 and 83 as Sgt Rocky “coalesced” into one main character plus individual soldiers in Easy Company for the remainder of their adventures. Thanks for the info! I actually prefer OAAW #81 since it has a better looking cover over #83. aardvark88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 DC announced the introduction a recurring character to headline Our Army At War in #81, and that stood as the first appearance for a long time. But as Aman stated, that changed. The collectors who really knew the series worked to shift the focus to 83. It was there that all the elements of Sgt. Rock came together. The market certainly agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLarsen Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Back when consensus was still 81 I read the Sgt. Rock Archives and thought it was clearly 83. Years later, the market shifted to reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKJ Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Our Army at war 83. Also a very under rated silver age key. IngelsFan and JTLarsen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusterMark Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 It's Our Army At War 83 for sure. This "debate" was settled long ago. JTLarsen, PKJ and IngelsFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IngelsFan Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 11:47 AM, MusterMark said: It's Our Army At War 83 for sure. This "debate" was settled long ago. Exactly. At least as far back as Chris Pedrin’s Big 5 guide, which came out in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 It’s no longer debatable. Our Army at War 83 is Sgt. Rock’s first appearance. IngelsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APDallas Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Thanks for the info. This is proving to be very interesting to me. So for decades it was considered that OWAW #81 was the agreed 1st appearance of Sgt.Rock and I can see that. It has "Rock" on the cover and it even says "THE ROCK OF EASY COMPANY". DC even reprinted that issue but NOT #83. Why would they do that if issue 81 was not considered the "first appearance". Who decided that issue 83 was the first appearance? Was it just a general consensus? Did the market decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze johnny Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 11/13/2021 at 8:53 AM, APDallas said: Thanks for the info. This is proving to be very interesting to me. So for decades it was considered that OWAW #81 was the agreed 1st appearance of Sgt.Rock and I can see that. It has "Rock" on the cover and it even says "THE ROCK OF EASY COMPANY". DC even reprinted that issue but NOT #83. Why would they do that if issue 81 was not considered the "first appearance". Who decided that issue 83 was the first appearance? Was it just a general consensus? Did the market decide? War comics collectors decided that OAAW 83 is Sgt. Rock’s first true appearance and corrected DC’s mistake. DC does make mistakes from time to time. That reprint is one example of an error made on the part of someone in DC who wasn’t Kanigher or Kubert. Again, the first appearance of Sgt. Rock is no longer a debatable issue. Recommend you read the Rock prototype issues: G.I. Combat 68 and Our Army at War 81 & 82. Then you can see for yourself how clear it is that OAAW 83 is the first true appearance of the Sgt. Rock we grew up reading and know today. IngelsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 11/13/2021 at 5:53 AM, APDallas said: Thanks for the info. This is proving to be very interesting to me. So for decades it was considered that OWAW #81 was the agreed 1st appearance of Sgt.Rock and I can see that. It has "Rock" on the cover and it even says "THE ROCK OF EASY COMPANY". DC even reprinted that issue but NOT #83. Why would they do that if issue 81 was not considered the "first appearance". Who decided that issue 83 was the first appearance? Was it just a general consensus? Did the market decide? Normally, you'd think the actual owners of the character would get to say what his first appearance was, and if they said 81, that should be that. It certainly looks as if issue 81 was the first time they first thought this guy would be a continuing character, and that they finessed details of that character in 83. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Readcomix Posted November 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2021 How is there not a copy of this in this thread yet? IngelsFan, Robot Man, KirbyJack and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kagemusha7s Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 10:11 AM, Readcomix said: How is there not a copy of this in this thread yet? Beauty Readcomix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicdey Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Random find in the wild yesterday in the middle of a home made bound volume … anyone recognize the two centerfold wraps…from OAAW. They were the only DC pages in an otherwise home bound Aces High EC volume KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 12:21 PM, Comicdey said: Random find in the wild yesterday in the middle of a home made bound volume … anyone recognize the two centerfold wraps…from OAAW. They were the only DC pages in an otherwise home bound Aces High EC volume Sure do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicdey Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 2:35 PM, Readcomix said: Sure do! Now I’m hoping I can find an incomplete copy… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 i think the cover of #83 is a lot better than #81 Readcomix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 8:23 PM, Comicdey said: Now I’m hoping I can find an incomplete copy… So the wraps are loose, Colin? Just stuck inside the bound volume? That is a cool find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comicdey Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Yes they were just in the bound volume so I took them out for future use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
