THE MARVELS starring Brie Larson, Iman Vellani and Teyonna Parris (2023) 9 9

[@therealsilvermane]

To folks who think the new name of Captain Marvel's sequel, The Marvels, is somehow disrespectful to Brie Larson's superhero, here's my answer to that.

Carol Danvers' superhero name, Marvel, is still in the title. And the new title, The Marvels, is great and honors the Captain Marvel legacy(both in the MCU and the comics). In the MCU, it immediately shows the inspiration/effect that not only Carol Danvers has on the other two budding heroes in the film, Kamala Khan and Monica Rambeau, but also I think acknowledges the inspiration of Anette Bening's Mar Vell. Putting an immediate superhero family around Carol Danvers also really gives her the supporting cast the character really needs and which hasn't been that established in the comics. Captain America had Falcon and Winter Soldier. Iron Man had War Machine and will have Ironheart. Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel now has her own little superhero family. I am sure, though, that Kamala and Monica will be more autonomous and less reliant on their matriarch hero in comparison to Falcon or War Machine whose characters served only to serve the adventures of Cap or Iron Man.But make no mistake, Carol Danvers will still be the figure head of Marvel's Marvel Family, much like Shazam was the head of his own Marvel Family over in Fawcett/DC.

[Callaway29]

The power of speaking in the affirmative is strong with this one...

[media_junkie]

9 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Carol Danvers' superhero name, Marvel, is still in the title.

Ok, but that isn't her superhero name.  That would be like calling an Iron Man film "Man".

I get it, you really like her, and that is great.  I'm just saying I find it odd that if she is going to be the "MCU Flag Waving Leader", that her name isn't even in the title of her own film.

[valiantman]

21 minutes ago, media_junkie said:

Ok, but that isn't her superhero name.  That would be like calling an Iron Man film "Man".

I get it, you really like her, and that is great.  I'm just saying I find it odd that if she is going to be the "MCU Flag Waving Leader", that her name isn't even in the title of her own film.

To be fair, "Carol and the Marvels" would be a little too close to "Josie and the Pussycats". 

[@therealsilvermane]

9 minutes ago, media_junkie said:

Ok, but that isn't her superhero name.  That would be like calling an Iron Man film "Man".

I get it, you really like her, and that is great.  I'm just saying I find it odd that if she is going to be the "MCU Flag Waving Leader", that her name isn't even in the title of her own film.

Actually more like calling an Iron Man film "Iron." Kind of like Ironheart is to Iron Man as Ms. Marvel is to Captain Marvel. "Marvel" and "Iron" are the key words in both titles.

And really if you want to get technical, Carol Danvers has never once called herself Captain Marvel in the movies. It wasn't like Tony Stark calling himself Iron Man in his first movie or the US government creating Captain America for Steve Rogers. The first and only time we heard it before WandaVision was when Peter utters it once in Far From Home. Carol Danvers is just getting started in the MCU. Really it was in WandaVision where a government official, James Woo, referred to her as Captain Marvel.

Yes, I like her, love her really, but my saying she's going to be at the forefront of the MCU isn't just my wishful thinking. Keven Feige said that specifically. And if you look at the overall direction of MCU heroes and who's left and their relations to one another and the different Phase Four MCU projects, the signs point to Captain Marvel being the leader of the next Avengers team, which is what is part of "being at the forefront." In the future, when kids buy the new Avengers backpacks and lunchboxes, Captain Marvel will most likely be at the forefront of that image.

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4 minutes ago, valiantman said:

To be fair, "Carol and the Marvels" would be a little too close to "Josie and the Pussycats". 

Captain Marvel and the Marvelettes would be kinda nice if not a little disrespectul to Carol's co-stars. I've seen some articles call the movie Captain Marvel 2: The Marvels, but that has too many Marvels in it, not to mention the Marvel Studios logo that will be above it. I like The Marvels. I wasn't expecting it, but I like it.

[media_junkie]

4 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

And really if you want to get technical, Carol Danvers has never once called herself Captain Marvel in the movies. It wasn't like Tony Stark calling himself Iron Man in his first movie or the US government creating Captain America for Steve Rogers. The first and only time we heard it before WandaVision was when Peter utters it once in Far From Home. Carol Danvers is just getting started in the MCU. Really it was in WandaVision where a government official, James Woo, referred to her as Captain Marvel.

Her movie was called Captain Marvel.  Sure she may not have called herself that, but the Studio set that up as her name with her first film.  To even hint that "Captain Marvel" isn't her name because she never said it is just stupid.

[@therealsilvermane]

2 minutes ago, media_junkie said:

Her movie was called Captain Marvel.  Sure she may not have called herself that, but the Studio set that up as her name with her first film.  To even hint that "Captain Marvel" isn't her name because she never said it is just stupid.

I'm not hinting that it's not Carol Danvers official Marvel superhero name. Obviously it is. But at the time of her first movie, it seemed TO ME to be more for official copyright purposes, because in the movie's story, Captain Marvel is actually Annette Bening's Mar Vell. It's only at the end does Nick Fury call the deceased Kree scientist Marvel instead of Mar Vell. As you said, Carol never takes the name of her Kree mentor in the movie. And In the MCU's continuing story, we don't know when Carol takes on the name. Obviously she does as Peter Parker and Agent Woo refer to her as that.

But yes, I know Carol's superhero name is supposed to be Captain Marvel. I would like to finally see in this sequel where she acknowledges the name, though, because she hasn't yet. Even in Endgame, she's only referred to as Carol or Danvers.

[Broke as a Joke]

So this will be a "buddy" movie with Brie and other women calling themselves Captain Marvel?  I thought she was the anchor of the MCU going forward?  Smart by the powers to be at Marvel to realize that Larson can't carry a movie on her own, but rather surprising that they didn't even give her a chance to. 

[@therealsilvermane]

49 minutes ago, Broke as a Joke said:

So this will be a "buddy" movie with Brie and other women calling themselves Captain Marvel?  I thought she was the anchor of the MCU going forward?  Smart by the powers to be at Marvel to realize that Larson can't carry a movie on her own, but rather surprising that they didn't even give her a chance to. 

Do you seriously think that, as progressive and fair minded as Kevin Feige Victoria Alonso and the rest at Marvel Studios are, that they are going to just diss their one alive solo major female super-hero as you're suggesting? You haters really will turn any news whether positive or not into the end of the world for this character that you guys hate for no good reason other than it's trendy. Wait, maybe there is good reason, fear that a woman will take the forefront of a Cinema Universe that's been fronted by white dudes for the past 10 years. Can't have that, can we?

First, as I said above, all MCU films have become "buddy" films. The first Captain Marvel was a "buddy" film with Nick Fury, Maria Rambeau, and Talos. Multiverse of Madness will be a "buddy" film featuring Dr Strange, Wanda Maximoff, Jerico Drumm, Clea, and whoever else they want to throw in, I hear America Chavez even.

The title The Marvels doesn't mean Carol Danvers is no longer the lead of this film. I mean, "Marvel" is half of her superhero moniker. It really shows the influence that Captain Marvel has on Kamala Khan who has called herself Ms Marvel to honor her hero, Captain Marvel, and on her best friend's daughter, Monica Rambeau, who will become Spectrum, Photon, or might even take the name Blue Marvel. Captain America had his buddies in Falcon and Winter Soldier, now Captain Marvel has hers. Carol Danvers will still be the emotional lead of her sequel movie.

Nobody said "anchor of the MCU." Kevin Feige said Captain Marvel "will take the lead and be at the forefront of the entire MCU." His words. I just repeat it.

You guys should really get over your hate of Captain Marvel. First, get over the fear of her becoming a leader in the MCU. It's okay. Because fear then leads to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side. Many of you are there already. Try coming back to the light. You'll enjoy life more.

[Bosco685]

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With The Marvels' release still far away, not much is known about the cast or plot. However, Marvel Studios did reveal a few hints in a recently released synopsis that teases a “cosmic adventure with Carol, Monica, and Kamala.” The synopsis, which was posted on Marvel’s website, can be read below:

 

Marvel Studios’ The Marvels will feature Brie Larson returning to the role of Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers. In the film, she’ll be joined by Teyonah Parris, who was first introduced as adult Monica Rambeau in Marvel Studios’ WandaVision, along with Iman Vellani, who will appear as Ms. Marvel in the upcoming Disney+ series of the same name. Prepare to experience it and fly higher, further, and faster with the film, directed by Nia DaCosta!

 

[Bosco685]

3 hours ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Do you seriously think that, as progressive and fair minded as Kevin Feige Victoria Alonso and the rest at Marvel Studios are

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, that they are going to just diss their one alive solo major female super-hero as you're suggesting? You haters really will turn any news whether positive or not into the end of the world for this character that you guys hate for no good reason other than it's trendy. Wait, maybe there is good reason, fear that a woman will take the forefront of a Cinema Universe that's been fronted by white dudes for the past 10 years. Can't have that, can we?

First, as I said above, all MCU films have become "buddy" films. The first Captain Marvel was a "buddy" film with Nick Fury, Maria Rambeau, and Talos. Multiverse of Madness will be a "buddy" film featuring Dr Strange, Wanda Maximoff, Jerico Drumm, Clea, and whoever else they want to throw in, I hear America Chavez even.

The title The Marvels doesn't mean Carol Danvers is no longer the lead of this film. I mean, "Marvel" is half of her superhero moniker. It really shows the influence that Captain Marvel has on Kamala Khan who has called herself Ms Marvel to honor her hero, Captain Marvel, and on her best friend's daughter, Monica Rambeau, who will become Spectrum, Photon, or might even take the name Blue Marvel. Captain America had his buddies in Falcon and Winter Soldier, now Captain Marvel has hers. Carol Danvers will still be the emotional lead of her sequel movie.

Nobody said "anchor of the MCU." Kevin Feige said Captain Marvel "will take the lead and be at the forefront of the entire MCU." His words. I just repeat it.

You guys should really get over your hate of Captain Marvel. First, get over the fear of her becoming a leader in the MCU. It's okay. Because fear then leads to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side. Many of you are there already. Try coming back to the light. You'll enjoy life more.

 

 

Are you serious?

She discounted a 58 year old Marvel brand name because ignorantly she assumed 'X-Men' was just about MEN ONLY versus 'mankind'. These folks will do anything to deliver profitability, but with that statement also bringing their personal views to bear in an ignorant way. 'progressive' and 'fair-minded' that ain't!

[Gatsby77]

3 hours ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Do you seriously think that, as progressive and fair minded as Kevin Feige Victoria Alonso and the rest at Marvel Studios are, that they are going to just diss their one alive solo major female super-hero as you're suggesting? You haters really will turn any news whether positive or not into the end of the world for this character that you guys hate for no good reason other than it's trendy. Wait, maybe there is good reason, fear that a woman will take the forefront of a Cinema Universe that's been fronted by white dudes for the past 10 years. Can't have that, can we?

This argument is totally invalid because all three of The "Marvels" in discussion for this film are strong women. (Hence "major female super-heroes".)

And yes - I can totally see them sidelining Carol Danvers in this film so that by film's end Monica Rambeau or Kamala Khan is the primary one wearing the mantle. 

It's the difference between getting "Green Lantern 2" (Hal Jordan - or maybe a retcon / intro of John Stewart) and getting "The Green Lantern Corps" (implies multiples of them with equal weight - and/or also allowing for a key Lantern (or Marvel) death for emotional resonance and shock value.) Not saying they'll kill off Danvers in this film, but I wouldn't put it past them.

And it's ironic, because this could end up being very much a Green Lantern Corps situation, and I'm old enough to recall when Bosco lambasted me pre-release of Captain Marvel for noting how similar the trailer looked to that of Green Lantern. Having now seen the Captain Marvel movie 3x, I stand by that assessment: 

Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) is the MCU equivalent of Green Lantern - down to her willpower-based powers and origin -- and I predict "The Marvels" - whether it involves the multiverse or not, will very much play out like a Green Lantern Corps.

[@therealsilvermane]

43 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

This argument is totally invalid because all three of The "Marvels" in discussion for this film are strong women. (Hence "major female super-heroes".)

And yes - I can totally see them sidelining Carol Danvers in this film so that by film's end Monica Rambeau or Kamala Khan is the primary one wearing the mantle. 

It's the difference between getting "Green Lantern 2" (Hal Jordan - or maybe a retcon / intro of John Stewart) and getting "The Green Lantern Corps" (implies multiples of them with equal weight - and/or also allowing for a key Lantern (or Marvel) death for emotional resonance and shock value.) Not saying they'll kill off Danvers in this film, but I wouldn't put it past them.

And it's ironic, because this could end up being very much a Green Lantern Corps situation, and I'm old enough to recall when Bosco lambasted me pre-release of Captain Marvel for noting how similar the trailer looked to that of Green Lantern. Having now seen the Captain Marvel movie 3x, I stand by that assessment: 

Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) is the MCU equivalent of Green Lantern - down to her willpower-based powers and origin -- and I predict "The Marvels" - whether it involves the multiverse or not, will very much play out like a Green Lantern Corps.

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Okay. Yes, all three women, Carol Kamala and Monica, will be strong women. As I've said in previous posts, I think gone are the days where side characters exist to only serve the mission and emotions of the main character. In this way, Kamala and Monica will be more important to the emotional story than Sam Wilson and James Rhodes in older MCU films. We already know there is emotional tension between Carol and Monica as evidenced from WandaVision. But make no mistake, this is Carol Danver's movie. Kamala Khan will have just had her Disney+ show. We'll see more of what Monica can do in Secret Invasion.

What in anything makes you think the story of this film is about the firing/demotion of Carol Danvers and Monica Rambeau or Kamala Khan taking her title? Other than your obvious dislike of Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel? Maybe Marvel Studios should just rename themselves Rogue Studios. Yeah, Marvel! Let's screw over Carol Danvers again! She didn't have enough of a hard time in the comics with the rape thing and having her powers sapped away! Sorry, but I'm afraid Carol Danvers will still be Captain Marvel at the end of The Marvels, will soon be the next leader of the new Avengers team, and that the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive...

There are spotty similarities between the MCU Captain Marvel and Green Lantern. The similarities actually go back to 1968. In the first MCU film, Vers is part of an alien special forces corps. Carol is an Air Force pilot like Hal Jordan. But that's about it. Hal Jordan isn't the most powerful superhero in his universe the way Captain Marvel is. Green Lantern just makes stuff up with his little ring. Captain Marvel's powers are more similar to Superman or Wonder Woman, more raw power. Green Lantern is part of a larger Green Lantern Corps dedicated to truth and justice in the galaxy. Captain Marvel is not. So no, Carol Danvers is not the equivalent of Green Lantern in the MCU. In the Marvel Comics, Stan Lee charged the Conways in 1977 to turn Carol Danvers into a superhero so that Marvel could have their own Wonder Woman, who was taking the world by storm on TV, because Marvel did not have a solo female heroine major enough to have her own comics series. Carol Danvers is Marvel's Wonder Woman. Probably a little more like Superman. And the The Marvels title reminds me of Shazam's own Marvel Family. But Green Lantern? No. Sorry.

 

[Bosco685]

8 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

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Okay. Yes, all three women, Carol Kamala and Monica, will be strong women. As I've said in previous posts, I think gone are the days where side characters exist to only serve the mission and emotions of the main character. In this way, Kamala and Monica will be more important to the emotional story than Sam Wilson and James Rhodes in older MCU films. We already know there is emotional tension between Carol and Monica as evidenced from WandaVision. But make no mistake, this is Carol Danver's movie. Kamala Khan will have just had her Disney+ show. We'll see more of what Monica can do in Secret Invasion.

What in anything makes you think the story of this film is about the firing/demotion of Carol Danvers and Monica Rambeau or Kamala Khan taking her title? Other than your obvious dislike of Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel? Maybe Marvel Studios should just rename themselves Rogue Studios. Yeah, Marvel! Let's screw over Carol Danvers again! She didn't have enough of a hard time in the comics with the rape thing and having her powers sapped away! Sorry, but I'm afraid Carol Danvers will still be Captain Marvel at the end of The Marvels, will soon be the next leader of the new Avengers team, and that the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive...

There are spotty similarities between the MCU Captain Marvel and Green Lantern. The similarities actually go back to 1968. In the first MCU film, Vers is part of an alien special forces corps. Carol is an Air Force pilot like Hal Jordan. But that's about it. Hal Jordan isn't the most powerful superhero in his universe the way Captain Marvel is. Green Lantern just makes stuff up with his little ring. Captain Marvel's powers are more similar to Superman or Wonder Woman, more raw power. Green Lantern is part of a larger Green Lantern Corps dedicated to truth and justice in the galaxy. Captain Marvel is not. So no, Carol Danvers is not the equivalent of Green Lantern in the MCU. In the Marvel Comics, Stan Lee charged the Conways in 1977 to turn Carol Danvers into a superhero so that Marvel could have their own Wonder Woman, who was taking the world by storm on TV, because Marvel did not have a solo female heroine major enough to have her own comics series. Carol Danvers is Marvel's Wonder Woman. Probably a little more like Superman. And the The Marvels title reminds me of Shazam's own Marvel Family. But Green Lantern? No. Sorry.

 

I can always tell when you know your point is invalid.

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"So there!"

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12 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

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6 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Vescere bracis meis.

Crescere pueri mei

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9 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Crescere pueri mei

Id est quid illa dixit.

[Bosco685]

1 minute ago, @therealsilvermane said:

Id est quid illa dixit.

Thanks for the laugh. 

I still think rather than using brevity, you try to make your point through a wall of words.

Trial by word dueling is not your friend.

[@therealsilvermane]

3 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Thanks for the laugh. 

I still think rather than using brevity, you try to make your point through a wall of words.

Trial by word dueling is not your friend.

That's funny because I got an easy 'A' in Word Dueling 101 in college.