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I'm noticing an increasing number of WTB posts in the WTB section with no grade ranges OR price ranges in the listing.
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Should moderation be active on WTB posts that are vague?  

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  1. 1. Should moderation be active on WTB posts that are vague?

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Buzzetta

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On 1/10/2022 at 12:47 PM, oakman29 said:

Pretty sure you can still get an ASM #177 in 9.6 for like 40 bucks.😃

Seriously ? 

So what if I say $50 shipped 9.4 better issue of ASM between 101-200 you pick what you want to send me?  

I am willing to open that door up to writing that post tonight. 

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On 1/10/2022 at 3:04 PM, Buzzetta said:

Seriously ? 

So what if I say $50 shipped 9.4 better issue of ASM between 101-200 you pick what you want to send me?  

I am willing to open that door up to writing that post tonight. 

Nice!

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On 1/8/2022 at 6:31 AM, djpinkpanther67 said:

Sigh…someone is always trying to identify and fix a problem that simply isn’t there.

Just because someone posts a WTB in a way you don’t approve of, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

I agree people should post their desired grade ranges, but disagree they need to post what they will pay. Why is that necessary? It’s none of anyone’s business what someone is WILLING to pay. If you have a book someone needs, offer it at the price you want to sell it for. It will either sell at your price, or you will receive a counter offer which you can accept or reject.

When I list WTB, I generally don’t list a price. I list the grade I want, and leave the asking price up to the seller. I do this because I don’t want my asking price to be unnecessarily too low (or high).

99% of the time when I am presented with a book I need, I have bought at the sellers offer without asking for a discount. 


 

 

I wish people had to show proof of money in their wallet to the convention staff before coming into a comic convention. :jokealert:

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Who am I kidding I am not kidding

 

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All I think is warranted is at least put the grade range you desire and some common sense in what you are willing to pay to help potential sellers out.  

Example:

WTB: Hulk #181 CGC copy (Heading)

Hulk #181 CGC range of 8.0 - 9.0 (body)

Min PQ: OWW or better

Willing to pay reasonable Market value or GPA

Actually doing at least this will help all buyers out.  Keep you from getting excited about PM's with copies you cant afford or too low grade. 

Now what will annoy me as a seller is taking the time to PM you with scans and GPA price or realistic market price, but you only want to pay CGC 7.0/7.5 money for it.

Don't waste sellers time with Champagne tastes, but a beer budget.   

 

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On 1/8/2022 at 2:05 PM, KPR Comics said:

I’d rather have a rule that requires posters to acknowledge when someone offers something in their thread. Even a simple like is enough.  We’re living in a society, abide by the social contract.   
Tongue partly in cheek.

It's called comic book ghosting online and in real life its leaving books on hold at a dealers booth and never coming back. 

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On 1/8/2022 at 3:20 PM, VintageComics said:

Your post makes it sound like we shouldn't expect any rules at all because it's free when in fact moderators are going to moderate whether it's free or not.

This website is not free.  We pay for it in CGC fees.

Nothing in life is free except air. 

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On 1/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

This website is not free.  We pay for it in CGC fees.

Nothing in life is free except air. 

I’m currently not paying a cent.

 

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On 1/10/2022 at 10:56 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

So you are not going to be submitting to CGC in 2022?

No, and with the exception of the Eastman signing which I submitted a single book for in time for the January 2021 deadline, I did not submit a single book in 2021 either.

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On 1/10/2022 at 10:17 PM, Buzzetta said:

I’m currently not paying a cent.

 

Oh yeah? Why do you think CGC has raised prices on grading twice in a year and now collects fees for every undervalued book that is submitted?

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On 1/10/2022 at 7:32 PM, oakman29 said:
On 1/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

Nothing in life is free except air. 

Air isnt free either.😂

That is true as well.

There is nothing free anymore and if there is, it's not free for long. Opportunism is everywhere. 

 

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On 1/11/2022 at 7:05 AM, VintageComics said:

Oh yeah? Why do you think CGC has raised prices on grading twice in a year and now collects fees for every undervalued book that is submitted?

Because costs on everything have gone up. 

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On 1/11/2022 at 9:05 AM, VintageComics said:

Oh yeah? Why do you think CGC has raised prices on grading twice in a year and now collects fees for every undervalued book that is submitted?

No, really.  I am currently not paying a cent. 

1 - Except for the Eastman signing last January of 2021 I did not submit a single book last year. 

2 - I let my paid membership lapse and have no plans to renew for the foreseeable future or submit any comics. 

3 - My issue is with the increased turnaround times and quality control issues in the encapsulation room.

When it came to submitting midgrade Golden Age books, a dinged corner is not really noticeable upon being graded.  However, if I submit a stack of Ultimate Fallout 4's which I kind of planned to do along with other moderns I have stashed, I do not trust CGC encapsulation.  The grading room could assess the books at 9.8 but then they are messing the books up after that stage of the grading process. 

I don't want to hear from CGC that they were insured only to a certain amount if I make a claim.  If the books are assigned a 9.8 by the graders then CGC should pay out the 9.8 value.  After all, they have no problem bumping up tiers when it benefits them. 

Basically, I currently do not have any confidence in their service.

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On 1/8/2022 at 9:50 AM, skypinkblu said:

I don't use it often, but if I can't determine the going rate of something I really want, I don't want to list a price. What if someone has the Sensation 15 I've been looking for and they want XXXX instead of the XXX I listed...and since I don't get ANY other offers, once I see the XXXX I realize that if I really want that book...I need to pay XXXX? If I listed a price then the person with the XXXX copy never would have contacted me.

No one seems to have a decent Sensation 15 for sale, so it's probably moot;)

Definitely a tough one to find! I need this one as well! 

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On 1/11/2022 at 8:38 PM, Captainwonder said:

Definitely a tough one to find! I need this one as well! 

Shhhhh;)

I think I tried I will pay OVER GPA etc...but it didn't work. I didn't want to limit how much over...still didn't work.

I do have one, but it has some minor resto. 

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On 1/11/2022 at 11:49 AM, buttock said:
On 1/11/2022 at 9:05 AM, VintageComics said:

Oh yeah? Why do you think CGC has raised prices on grading twice in a year and now collects fees for every undervalued book that is submitted?

Because costs on everything have gone up. 

Including comics. lol

We're not seeing moderate price increases. The percentage is massive when you factor in the surge in prices AND how much they are raking in charging percentages FMV of books, which is something we've never seen before. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. It's capitalism. I've never complained about CGC's pricing even though I may not have liked it. I have complained about their turnaround times but the workaround was capitalism again. Just spend more and choose a higher tier. 

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We have a family here in town that does what hedge fund companies do. They find hidden value in properties and buy them.

They'll look at total revenue on the property, look at what rents 'could or should be' in those places, then they buy the properties and raise the rents to the max on unsuspecting consumers. What they do is not illegal but it is painful. Some rents double or even triple. 

I remember over the years defending CGC from people who accused them as being in a conflict of interest for charging a percentage of FMV value on grading books. I tried to explain that they weren't charging as much as they could be charging and most balked at me.

Well, here we are. 

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