KCode98 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 So which one are you liking more and why? I'll be honest the MSW 8 has always held a closer spot in my heart. I think I like the cover more waaaghboss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 That's a tough call, like 'em both. The 252 is $1000 higher in 9.8, so that's a bit of a hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCode98 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:13 PM, Lightning55 said: That's a tough call, like 'em both. The 252 is $1000 higher in 9.8, so that's a bit of a hurdle. But I wonder if that gap will get wider and wider or not. I really need both in a 9.8 to please my inner child. Black suit spiderman was my favorite when I was young. I have both comics obviously but I bet mine wouldn't grade much better than a 8 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:06 PM, KCode98 said: So which one are you liking more and why? I'll be honest the MSW 8 has always held a closer spot in my heart. I think I like the cover more This question pops up every few years, and the winning response has always been ASM 252 grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:26 PM, jjonahjameson11 said: This question pops up every few years, and the winning response has always been ASM 252 After that OA sale, it might start to swing the other way jjonahjameson11 and BigLeagueCHEW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 But the answer is always.... get both. icp004 and alexgross.com 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCode98 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:34 PM, THE_BEYONDER said: After that OA sale, it might start to swing the other way What is OA sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:36 PM, KCode98 said: What is OA sale? Original Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCode98 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 I saw that thread but honestly I didn't know what to make of it. 3.4 mil for Secret Wars 8. Weird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Which issue is Copper, you wonder? Well, both. Which to own? Again, both. But ASM 252 is the black costume issue. djzombi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) I can never decide. So I own both. Both are great for different reasons. I think I like the cover of 252 overall but the image of Spidey on MSW 8 overal is better (the tiny characters in the background isn’t the best). Edited January 17, 2022 by comicginger1789 jcjames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCode98 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 6:29 PM, Lazyboy said: Which issue is Copper, you wonder? Well, both. Copper? I'll admit I'm still learning stuff but I looked up bronze age comics and I read it is from 1970 to 1985. Both of these are 1984 (damn good year btw!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 252 is the first black suit. MSW8 is about the fortieth. #252 starts a months long mystery as to how and where the suit came about. MSW8 answers those questions in the stupidest way possible. Edited January 17, 2022 by shadroch jjonahjameson11 and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) Both are classic covers. Why does it have to be 1 or the others, why not both? Based on Census Pops, SW8 should continue to maintain a lower price point. Both books have dropped way off their 2021 highs and I'd bet there is still room for both to fall the next few months. Those expecting a free-fall however in 9.6 and 9.8 will likley be disappointed as demand has been great on both books for 4 decades. Still given the huge populations of both in 9.4, I foresee that grade testing then dropping below the $200 mark this year. Make note the 252 9.4 pop exceeds SW8 by nearly 15%! Original Comic Art sales historically at least have never boosted going rate of a comic book, vice-versa however is the norm. CGC Label CGC Total Avg. Grade 10 9.9 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5 Amazing Spider-Man 252 (5/84, Marvel Comics) Ties with Marvel Team-Up #141 for 1st appearance of the black costume. Amazing Fantasy #15 cover Universal 14,388 8.99 8 1,431 3,246 2,905 1,886 1,518 1,173 731 534 383 181 168 76 57 39 30 10 7 4 1 CGC Label CGC Total Avg. Grade 10 9.9 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5 Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 (12/84, Marvel Comics) Origin of the alien symbiote that eventually becomes Venom. Universal 16,437 9.19 4 22 4,224 4,363 2,614 1,454 1,114 825 548 350 288 188 152 106 81 45 28 19 7 2 1 1 1 Please note I do not sell comic books, I'm merely a collector. My opinions are based on 40 years in the hobby and ofttimes still are wrong I do own multiple of both books in 9.8, they were my childhood copies. I was an OCD collector in my youth. Finally got that demon off my back by switching over to Comics Art as primary hobby in 1999 and no longer reading/collecting new releases over a decade ago. Edited January 18, 2022 by MAR1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 6:53 PM, KCode98 said: Copper? I'll admit I'm still learning stuff but I looked up bronze age comics and I read it is from 1970 to 1985. Both of these are 1984 (damn good year btw!). I consider 1984 to be very much Copper Age. I'm a Marvel guy, and so my knowledge of history tends to be limited to Marvel, but for my money by the time Jim Shooter started the crossover events -- and while Secret Wars wasn't technically the first, it was the first big one -- we're definitely not in the Bronze Age any more. If I had to pick the boundary, I could go as early as 1979, when cover prices (for Marvel at least) jumped to 40 cents, making ASM #194 (1st Black Cat) among the earliest Copper Age books which feels right to me. I could also go as late as ASM #252 / Secret Wars #1, but definitely no later. Just my of course. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) There is no hard delineation from Bronze to Copper and can be case by case. No one would ever say book's like TMNT, Transformers, GI JOE, Captain Carrot, Firestorm 2nd series, American Flagg or Judge Dredd are Bronze for example. Secret Wars is firmly Copper. ASM 252 is Copper - an argument can even be made that for the ASM title Copper began at end of 251 when Spidey is pulled into the Secret Wars. As for me personally I considers 229 "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" as the start of ASM copper. Mileage will vary from collector to collector but I think nearly all will say that by 1985 Bronze was definitely gone regardless of title. Edited January 18, 2022 by MAR1979 tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 We'll just call the transition period Bropper. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fett Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:55 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said: I consider 1984 to be very much Copper Age. I'm a Marvel guy, and so my knowledge of history tends to be limited to Marvel, but for my money by the time Jim Shooter started the crossover events -- and while Secret Wars wasn't technically the first, it was the first big one -- we're definitely not in the Bronze Age any more. If I had to pick the boundary, I could go as early as 1979, when cover prices (for Marvel at least) jumped to 40 cents, making ASM #194 (1st Black Cat) among the earliest Copper Age books which feels right to me. I could also go as late as ASM #252 / Secret Wars #1, but definitely no later. Just my of course. the original bronze age ended Dec-1979-people just kept extending it as the years went by-early 90s 70s were bronze and 80s were copper-90s were modern and then that bubble pooped grendelbo, jjonahjameson11, lou_fine and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 9:28 PM, MAR1979 said: There is no hard delineation from Bronze to Copper and can be case by case. No one would ever say book's like TMNT, Transformers, GI JOE, Captain Carrot, Firestorm 2nd series, American Flagg or Judge Dredd are Bronze for example. Secret Wars is firmly Copper. ASM 252 is Copper - an argument can even be made that for the ASM title Copper began at end of 251 when Spidey is pulled into the Secret Wars. As for me personally I considers 228 'Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" as the start of ASM copper. Mileage will vary from collector to collector but I think nearly all will say that by 1985 Bronze was definitely gone regardless of title. I think you meant to say asm 229/230 for the Juggy storyline. ASM 228 is merely a fill-in issue (I used to own the original OA for the cover) MAR1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 8:55 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said: I consider 1984 to be very much Copper Age. I'm a Marvel guy, and so my knowledge of history tends to be limited to Marvel, but for my money by the time Jim Shooter started the crossover events -- and while Secret Wars wasn't technically the first, it was the first big one -- we're definitely not in the Bronze Age any more. If I had to pick the boundary, I could go as early as 1979, when cover prices (for Marvel at least) jumped to 40 cents, making ASM #194 (1st Black Cat) among the earliest Copper Age books which feels right to me. I could also go as late as ASM #252 / Secret Wars #1, but definitely no later. Just my of course. Using the Marvel/DC books as the demarcation for Bronze/Copper is an…interesting approach, albeit challenging given the Superman/spiderman crossovers in the Treasuries from the 1970’s, in addition to the Batman/Hulk crossover in DC Special Series 27 (1981). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
