spidrvacc Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Curious for some info. Sent in my sons Hulk 180 . Value stamp missing. I figured was a 2.5 or 3.0 figured it would come back an apparent grade due to no stamp which I have seen but came back a universal 1.0 due to no stamp. Why would this not come back an apparent grade, just curious. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Apparent refers to an attempt to make the comic look better, Restored to a better grade. Maybe with the stamp, it would have been a 2.0 ish book, and with that missing, they hit it and brought it down?? I have an ASM 2 with a missing page, does not affect story. .5 Universal label. Otherwise, the book looks like a 2.0ish copy. I am of the understanding that a request can be made for the higher grade qualified label, or the lower grade blue label, but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidrvacc Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Sorry meant qualified grade. Green label. Would prefer that but there was no option for that. I sent his book in with the assumption it would have gotten green label. I mean could even be a 4.0 green 4.0 sounds nicer then a blue 1.0. Edited February 10, 2022 by spidrvacc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artboy99 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 the book should be either a green label of apparent grade or a 0.5 blue with missing mvs /incomplete in my opinion. theCapraAegagrus and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Did you include a written note attached to the comic's bag requesting Qualified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zzutak Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) On 2/9/2022 at 4:43 PM, spidrvacc said: Sent in my son's Hulk 180. Value stamp missing. I figured was a 2.5 or 3.0 [and] would come back [with a qualified] grade due to no stamp. But [it] came back a Universal 1.0 due to no stamp. Why would this not come back [with a qualified] grade? Simple (but correct) answer: because its "otherwise" condition grade was not high enough. Incomplete books that are otherwise 3.5 VG- or lower should receive a Universal (Blue Label) Grade. Incomplete books that are otherwise 4.5 VG+ and higher are eligible to receive Qualified (Green Label) Grades. Incomplete books that are otherwise 4.0 VG can go either way, depending on the grader's discretion. At least this was CGC's policy as of August 11, 2018, as shared by one of CGC's most helpful graders, BradleyX2. You cannot ask CGC to assign a Qualified Grade to a beater. You cannot ask CGC to violate its own proprietary grading policies. Edited February 10, 2022 by zzutak Link Added Dick Pontoon, The Lions Den, theCapraAegagrus and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidrvacc Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 ZZutak thank you.that makes sense. Didnt know but again totally makes sense. Again thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 My pleasure (although Bradley is really the person who deserves our thanks). The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I'm surprised that it received a 1.0 grade. Artboy99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 4:54 AM, zzutak said: You cannot ask CGC to assign a Qualified Grade to a beater. You cannot ask CGC to violate its own proprietary grading policies. That is unless you pay CGC to partake in some stupid gimmick, like "invisible" comics, so you can make a quick buck off of the stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 10:06 PM, Artboy99 said: the book should be either a green label of apparent grade or a 0.5 blue with missing mvs /incomplete in my opinion. He needs to put some tape on the cover. CGC Cert # 2006289001 Title Incredible Hulk Issue 181 Issue Date 11/74 Issue Year 1974 Publisher Marvel Comics Grade 0.5 Page Quality OFF-WHITE Grade Date 12/11/2018 Grade Category Qualified Label Text ""Marvel Value Stamp"" missing from page 10, does not affect story. Tape on cover, interior cover & interior. INCOMPLETE Art Comments Len Wein story Herb Trimpe and Jack Abel art Herb Trimpe cover Key Comments 1st full appearance of Wolverine. Wendigo appearance. Grader Notes heavy coloring front cover marvel value stamp missing from page(s) 10 tape cover tape interior tape interior cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 8:04 PM, Chief1332 said: I have an ASM 2 with a missing page, does not affect story. .5 Universal label. Otherwise, the book looks like a 2.0ish copy. I am of the understanding that a request can be made for the higher grade qualified label, or the lower grade blue label, but not sure. About five years ago, I almost bought an ASM 3 in a .5 yellow SS slab. They didn't have green SS labels when it was graded. It was very clearly a 7.5ish looking book, missing only the pin up page. THAT was a dumb way to grade the comic. Chief1332 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 7:34 AM, sledgehammer said: Grade Category Qualified Label Text ""Marvel Value Stamp"" missing from page 10, does not affect story. Tape on cover, interior cover & interior. INCOMPLETE If this book was really intended to be assigned a Qualified Grade and encapsulated with a Green Label, the Label Text would be entirely in caps. The fact that the Label Text is in both uppercase and lowercase indicates that this book was actually assigned a Universal (Blue Label) Grade of 0.5. The Grade Category should read Universal. This is a simple inattentiveness-type error (as opposed to a grading policy error). This is the type of processing mistake that's super easy to spot by looking at the label (is the label text all caps or not). The QA/QC folks whiffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Beater copies get qualified grades. CGC Cert # 3862336002 Title Incredible Hulk Issue 181 Issue Date 11/74 Issue Year 1974 Publisher Marvel Comics Grade 1.0 Page Quality OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date 06/22/2021 Grade Category Qualified Label Text Marvel Value Stamp missing from page 10, does not affect story. Centerfold & page 7 detached. PAGE 10 MARRIED & DETACHED. INCOMPLETE Art Comments Len Wein story Herb Trimpe and Jack Abel art Herb Trimpe cover Key Comments 1st full appearance of Wolverine. Wendigo appearance. Grader Notes married page(s) 10 marvel value stamp missing from page(s) 10 does not affect story moderate, multiple crease cover breaks color multiple stain cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 9:10 AM, sledgehammer said: Beater copies get qualified grades. A low-grade book will receive a Qualified Grade for a variety of reasons -- one of which is having a married cover or pages. In my opinion, CGC's treatment of books with married components would best be examined in a separate thread, as this is really beyond the scope of the question posed by the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) On 2/10/2022 at 11:39 AM, zzutak said: On 2/10/2022 at 11:10 AM, sledgehammer said: Beater copies get qualified grades. A low-grade book will receive a Qualified Grade for a variety of reasons -- one of which is having a married cover or pages. In my opinion, CGC's treatment of books with married components would best be examined in a separate thread, as this is really beyond the scope of the question posed by the OP. I haven't seen a scan, or grader's notes yet on the OP's comic book, but even this copy doesn't quite fit what you say (4.0 or higher) was CGC doctrine as of 2018. Pretty close tho (3.5), as is a IH 182 that I found. Also saw an ASM 135 3.0 that was graded the last week of 2017. So maybe they had changed their policy, as of Aug '18, from that last week in 2017. So maybe he has a case to make, and maybe he doesn't. In my mind, the fact that they would grade a 2.5 as "Blue", with no stamp, and a 3.5 as "Green" with no stamp, is pretty goofy. It's also pretty goofy that GPA shows 2.5 Blue incompletes selling for more than regular 2.5s. Someone paid $3,100 for an incomplete IH 181 2.5 Blue last year, approximately the high water mark for standard Blue 2.5s. Buyer beware I guess. CGC Cert # 3939744003 Title Incredible Hulk Issue 180 Issue Date 10/74 Issue Year 1974 Publisher Marvel Comics Grade 3.5 Page Quality OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date 10/19/2021 Grade Category Qualified Label Text ""MARVEL VALUE STAMP"" MISSING FROM PAGE 10, DOES NOT AFFECT STORY. INCOMPLETE Art Comments Len Wein story Herb Trimpe and Jack Abel art Herb Trimpe cover Key Comments 1st appearance of Wolverine in cameo on last page. Wendigo appearance. Grader Notes heavy creasing to cover marvel value stamp missing from page(s) 10 does not affect story spine stress lines breaks color very small, multiple tape pull front cover Edited February 10, 2022 by sledgehammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just curious. Don't want anyone inferring something sinister. Why would their policy have changed on that from the time that an IH 181 3.0 Green in 2007 happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) If you reread my first post to this thread, you'll see I used the word "should" rather than "will": On 2/10/2022 at 2:54 AM, zzutak said: Incomplete books that are otherwise 3.5 VG- or lower should receive a Universal (Blue Label) Grade. This is because some CGC graders are more attentive than others. While all graders are (supposedly) guided by the same grading rubric, there's now abundant evidence that these grading benchmarks/guidelines/rules are not always applied/followed in the same manner. The exact same book can receive different grades from different graders (or different grades from a single grader on different days). The fact that we can find exceptions to a given CGC grading standard does not mean that the standard does not exist. I really wish that CGC's grading was was completely (100.00%) consistent and that their QA/QC staff caught each and every mistake made by the folks upstream. But we're dealing with humans with various degrees of sharpness, attention to detail, and motivation. CGC does not have the same level of consistency today as it did in 2000. Can you remember back to the "old" days when three different graders evaluated each book? Good times! Edited February 10, 2022 by zzutak Typo Fixed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) So the OP has every right to ask why he didn't get the grade he was expecting. It's not like there are dozens of examples of this on GPA for IH 180 and 181. If GPA shows examples of what to expect, and the census shows 25 Qualified copies graded 3.5 or lower, he has every right to ask them what the deal is. He paid for a grade, and there's evidence that he could have expected a certain result. Maybe he's way off base, and the book wasn't remotely close to being the VG copy as he thought. He wasn't clued in to Bradley's info the way that you are. Fair enough? Edited February 10, 2022 by sledgehammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I thought there were still two or three graders who look at the books, is it just one and done now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
