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[Cat]

On 12/13/2023 at 6:16 AM, VintageComics said:

I've established my points and people are free to be wrong if they choose to.

LMFAO. 

[Prince Namor]

On 12/14/2023 at 6:35 AM, Bosco685 said:

Right.

 

And despite that coming out before the UK trial:

"Johnny Depp has lost his libel case against the Sun newspaper over an article that called him a "wife beater". Mr Depp, 57, sued the paper after it claimed he assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard, which he denies. The Sun said the article was accurate. Judge Mr Justice Nicol said the Sun had proved what was in the article to be "substantially true"."

But hey, continue sticking up for a the guy who was convicted of assaulting his wife.

[Bosco685]

On 12/13/2023 at 7:27 PM, Prince Namor said:

And despite that coming out before the UK trial:

"Johnny Depp has lost his libel case against the Sun newspaper over an article that called him a "wife beater". Mr Depp, 57, sued the paper after it claimed he assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard, which he denies. The Sun said the article was accurate. Judge Mr Justice Nicol said the Sun had proved what was in the article to be "substantially true"."

But hey, continue sticking up for a the guy who was convicted of assaulting his wife.

The case in the UK was Depp vs a company. But keep twisting facts.

Meanwhile...

And all this with me on your blocked list.

[Prince Namor]

What facts are twisted? His lawsuit against the company was over exactly what you are denying.

They said YES HE WAS A WIFE BEATER. 

And YOU defend him. That's sick.

 

Johnny Depp loses libel case over Sun 'wife beater' claim

from the BBC

Johnny Depp has lost his libel case against the Sun newspaper over an article that called him a "wife beater".

Mr Depp, 57, sued the paper after it claimed he assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard, which he denies. The Sun said the article was accurate.

Judge Mr Justice Nicol said the Sun had proved what was in the article to be "substantially true".

He found 12 of the 14 alleged incidents of domestic violence had occurred. 

 

Mr Depp's lawyer called the ruling "perverse" and said the Hollywood actor intends to appeal.

A spokesperson for the Sun said it had stood up for domestic abuse victims for decades, and thanked Ms Heard for "her courage in giving evidence to the court". 

 

• What is libel and how does it work?
• Inside the Johnny Depp court case

 

The trial was heard over 16 days in July at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

Ms Heard's lawyer in the US, Elaine Charlson Bredehoft, said the judgement was "not a surprise".

"Very soon, we will be presenting even more voluminous evidence in the US," she said.

Mr Depp is suing Ms Heard, 34, in the US in a separate case, over an opinion piece she wrote in the Washington Post. Mr Depp says the article implied he was violent towards her.

'Depp made Heard fear for life'

The allegations of violence spanned the period between 2013 and 2016, when the couple split. 

The judge highlighted three incidents where he said Mr Depp had put Ms Heard in "fear for her life".

In one of those incidents, in Australia in 2015, Mr Depp was allegedly physically and verbally abusive towards her while drinking heavily and taking drugs. Mr Depp accused Ms Heard of severing his finger, but the judge said he did not accept Ms Heard was responsible.

"Taking all the evidence together, I accept that she was the victim of sustained and multiple assaults by Mr Depp in Australia," said Mr Justice Nicol.

"It is a sign of the depth of his rage that he admitted scrawling graffiti in blood from his injured finger and then, when that was insufficient, dipping his badly injured finger in paint and continuing to write messages and other things," the judge said.

"I accept her evidence of the nature of the assaults he committed against her. They must have been terrifying."

[Prince Namor]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. If you're wife or girlfriend or ANY female 'spin' you up, it's not ok to hit her or physically assault her. 

I'm a pretty forward-thinking guy, but... I'm just not into this new idea of THAT being fair and equal.

[Bosco685]

On 12/13/2023 at 7:39 PM, Prince Namor said:

What facts are twisted? His lawsuit against the company was over exactly what you are denying.

They said YES HE WAS A WIFE BEATER. 

And YOU defend him. That's sick.

 

Johnny Depp loses libel case over Sun 'wife beater' claim

from the BBC

Johnny Depp has lost his libel case against the Sun newspaper over an article that called him a "wife beater".

Mr Depp, 57, sued the paper after it claimed he assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard, which he denies. The Sun said the article was accurate.

Judge Mr Justice Nicol said the Sun had proved what was in the article to be "substantially true".

He found 12 of the 14 alleged incidents of domestic violence had occurred. 

 

Mr Depp's lawyer called the ruling "perverse" and said the Hollywood actor intends to appeal.

A spokesperson for the Sun said it had stood up for domestic abuse victims for decades, and thanked Ms Heard for "her courage in giving evidence to the court". 

 

• What is libel and how does it work?
• Inside the Johnny Depp court case

 

The trial was heard over 16 days in July at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

Ms Heard's lawyer in the US, Elaine Charlson Bredehoft, said the judgement was "not a surprise".

"Very soon, we will be presenting even more voluminous evidence in the US," she said.

Mr Depp is suing Ms Heard, 34, in the US in a separate case, over an opinion piece she wrote in the Washington Post. Mr Depp says the article implied he was violent towards her.

'Depp made Heard fear for life'

The allegations of violence spanned the period between 2013 and 2016, when the couple split. 

The judge highlighted three incidents where he said Mr Depp had put Ms Heard in "fear for her life".

In one of those incidents, in Australia in 2015, Mr Depp was allegedly physically and verbally abusive towards her while drinking heavily and taking drugs. Mr Depp accused Ms Heard of severing his finger, but the judge said he did not accept Ms Heard was responsible.

"Taking all the evidence together, I accept that she was the victim of sustained and multiple assaults by Mr Depp in Australia," said Mr Justice Nicol.

"It is a sign of the depth of his rage that he admitted scrawling graffiti in blood from his injured finger and then, when that was insufficient, dipping his badly injured finger in paint and continuing to write messages and other things," the judge said.

"I accept her evidence of the nature of the assaults he committed against her. They must have been terrifying."

 

On 12/13/2023 at 7:41 PM, Prince Namor said:

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. If you're wife or girlfriend or ANY female 'spin' you up, it's not ok to hit her or physically assault her. 

I'm a pretty forward-thinking guy, but... I'm just not into this new idea of THAT being fair and equal.

I'm sorry. But the fact between the actual individuals came out in THEIR case. The only thing she won was the UK attorney took it too far in contesting the police visit to the house. Meanwhile, she lost the key claims due to extensive evidence 

Depp has an addiction problem. He's an emotional mess. But Heard took advantage, brought her friends along to feed off Depp, and at times slapped him around to get direct engagement. Unfortunately, those are factual. Sidetracking with the UK ignores this.

[Bosco685]

[VintageComics]

On 12/13/2023 at 5:56 PM, EastEnd1 said:

I'd have to agree with you on Depp.  I caught a good deal of that trial and he was no angel.  At the end of it, I thought those two (Depp and Heard) were made for each other.

From my end, because I was the one that brought up Depp, I never thought he was an angel. In truth, none of us are.

I tend to always think in terms of "leanings". Social media gets the general public to overreact, or 'lean too far' in one direction. I've been called 'the great equivocator' here more than once but I can't help it, it's just how I see the world. If I see an overreaction I tend to try to pull in the opposite direction. 

As for being made for each other, that's a bit harsh (there I go again! ) 

I think sometimes the wrong chemistry just draw the worst out of a relationship. 

It's like being a defenseman and being forced to play in an offensive position in a sport. You can look like a totally terrible athlete, and yet in the correct position you can be an All Star. 

I just think that maybe they were attracted to each other but not meant for each other.

On 12/13/2023 at 5:56 PM, EastEnd1 said:

A better example of "innocent until proven guilty" would be the Duke lacrosse team... or Richard Jewell (the man accused of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing).  Those two were horribly and wrongly excoriated by the media until shown to be innocent. 

Those are better examples. I just didn't have any come to mind at the time of typing my post, but there are ABSOLUTELY many innocent people that are eviscerated by social media and have their lives ruined, only to be found not to deserve it later, and I genuinely feel for those people. You can't reverse the hate that roots into people's reputations once it goes viral.

Someone had stated at some point something along the lines of "well, that's just the way it is" and / or "that's just life for being that famous" or wealthy, or whatever the word was. That's unfair as well. 

I once bumped into Stan Lee in a public place and jumped the gun to just compliment him and I realized how annoying it was after I did it, because his reply was polite but you could tell it was also very taxing. I learned a powerful lesson to never invade a person's space like that again just because they're popular. I've been very close to extremely famous, popular people ever since and didn't cross that line again. 

I just don't believe that because someone is famous or wealthy that it's OK to treat them differently. Many people argue that the wheels of justice shouldn't spin differently for them and by that logic, nor should any other standards either. Decency is decent no matter who it's directed at. 

 

[Buzzetta]

"In the criminal justice system..."

While provocation is not usually accepted as a complete defense for one's actions, (I cannot think of a single instance off the top of my head right now), provocation has been accepted by most courts as a mitigating circumstance and resulted in a reduction in charges.   For example, the most common use of provocation as a mitigating circumstance is if one kills their spouse upon discovering adultery where murder charges will often be reduced to manslaughter as the provocation of discovering the adultery spurs a heat of the moment reaction. 

Another off the top of my head example is in the case of systemic abuse where the abused reaches their limit and the next instance of verbal abuse results in a violent reaction.  Again, while it rarely if ever results in "innocence" it is taken into consideration as a mitigating circumstance. 

 

OOPSIES AND EDIT... I did some looking... on that whole internet thing. 

Buzz Aldrin was not charged for punching conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel after Sibrel called Aldrin, "a coward, and a liar, and a thief."  However, the charges may have been chalked up to Aldrin "defending himself" against an aggressor.... but most likely due to his celebrity status.   There was also the more recent incient of when Tyson punched the guy who was harassing him on the plane.   Tyson was not charged. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097968803/mike-tyson-no-charges-punching-passenger

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Buzzetta

[mr_highgrade]

I almost got killed trying to serve Mike Tyson with a Summons in Brownsville Brooklyn a few years back. 

[Prince Namor]

On 12/14/2023 at 8:15 AM, VintageComics said:

Social media gets the general public to overreact, or 'lean too far' in one direction.

How does social media get people to over react? It IS people and their opinions.

On 12/14/2023 at 8:15 AM, VintageComics said:

I've been called 'the great equivocator' here more than once but I can't help it, it's just how I see the world. If I see an overreaction I tend to try to pull in the opposite direction. 

Is social media making you over react?

On 12/14/2023 at 8:15 AM, VintageComics said:

Many people argue that the wheels of justice shouldn't spin differently for them and by that logic, nor should any other standards either. Decency is decent no matter who it's directed at. 

Is that what they argue? I think it's that the wheels of justice shouldn't work FOR them, just because they're rich.

[D2]

On 12/13/2023 at 5:15 PM, Buzzetta said:

Agree but I believe the interest in Major's case is more than just fodder for those with popcorn.  With Depp and Heard, there was only the weight of the Harry Potter prequels hanging in the balance as well as whether or not Disney could squeeze one more Pirates movie out of a franchise that was already winding down.   

There is a major interest here because a multi billion dollar film franchise pointed to Jonathan Majors, then announced to the public that he was their guy who would be the main antagonist for that multi billion dollar franchise moving forward.  Majors would be the big bad that was supposed to capture the next few billion from the public. 

Given the weaker reception of this last round of Marvel movies, Marvel and their movie fans want to know what is going to happen.  With the Majors case, I believe there is more at stake here when it comes to the movie front.  

I agree, I think if Marvel hasn’t already figured out a way to write him out of the future development, they are insane. 

And this is even if he is found innocent, which, to be honest, I hope he is. If he is found innocent, it just means he isn’t a POS woman beater, and this world is just an insignificantly safer place…

But regardless, Marvel needs some heat on their properties so my beloved X-Men and Wolverine IPs can live again!

[Prince Namor]

I think it's a disservice to the way that the world works to blame it on masked code words to describe what's happening in a situation like this. 

Let's say YOU work for Pepsi Cola, at a big manufacturing plant in a moderate sized town. Not the city. But a town. You're a manager of... over 100 people on shift. You represent the company on the Chamber of Commerce. You're married and have 2 kids and are well-known in town. You go to church every Sunday and even work the BBQ stand at the yearly picnic. 

One day, a woman comes forward and claims she used to meet you in a hotel room, smoke crack with you, and have sex for money. WHILE you were married. She says you became physically abusive in the relationship.

The town is outraged. Why wouldn't they be? The guy is innocent until proven guilty, but they have a right to feel about it how they feel about it. 

The DA feels there is enough evidence to go forward with a court case against you.

The paper runs a story about it every day. It's on the local news. People have their opinions. 

Pepsi decides... to have you step down. They certainly don't want your behavior to reflect on THEM. 

Are they wrong? If you owned that business, how would you do it differently?

Remember - it's not just YOU that your decision impacts - but thousands of people who work for the company.

It's just the way the world works and has worked, long before there was social media and the internet.

[Bosco685]

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A New York jury found Marvel actor Jonathan Majors guilty of assault in the third degree and guilty of harassment.

 

The verdict was reached by a six-person jury after roughly over four hours of deliberation spread across three days. Jonathan Majors, wearing a grey suit and black dress shirt and tie, sat with his attorneys, with family members and his girlfriend, Meagan Good, behind him as the verdict was read. He was found not guilty of one of the counts in assault in the third degree and not guilty of aggravated harassment in second degree.

 

Majors faced four charges of assault, aggravated harassment and harassment after he called 911 on March 25, when he said he found his ex-partner, Grace Jabbari, unconscious in their apartment. Police arrested Majors after finding apparent injuries on Jabbari, including a laceration behind her ear and a bruised and fractured finger. Majors pleaded not guilty to all charges. 

 

[Chip Cataldo]

Bye-bye Kang. See ya on the flip flop.

[Buzzetta]

There will be a significant number of people that are going to act surprised and I have a feeling they will be the ones still holding Avengers 8’s. 

 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Buzzetta

[Chip Cataldo]

On 12/18/2023 at 3:21 PM, Buzzetta said:

There will be a significant number of people that are going to act surprised and I have a feeling they will be the ones still holding Avengers 8’s. 

Why they're still holding after the current Marvel track record is baffling. No one cares anymore.

[jsilverjanet]

guilty guilty guilty

 

[Dr. Love]

NOW can we excrement talk the guy?  

Edited December 18, 2023 by Dr. Love

[Chip Cataldo]

On 12/18/2023 at 3:35 PM, Dr. Love said:

NOW can we excrement talk the guy?  

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Three times to summon, right?