torn out but still in book pages 0

[spidrvacc]

curious how this affects grade.

got a copy of FF annual 2.  books maybe a 2.5 .  cover is small split but attached. 2 story  pages are torn out but placed back in book  so all pages just 2 were ripped out and places back , loose but again no missing pages. 

want to CGC and display with all my other CGCs i have on my comic wall in my man cave even though technically not something i would cgc but again its not to sell. its just for display. so dont kill me for wanting to cgc.

because of the 2 torn out but there pages would it get the.5 garde automaticly like missing pages gets?

 

thanks 

[theCapraAegagrus]

That's a good question. I wouldn't think that 2 torn-out pages is an automatic 0.5, but I'm not sure how CGC approaches the condition.

[spidrvacc]

im torn ( no pun) i thought 2.0 yiu can have torn out pages as long as they are still in book. not missing.  

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 8/2/2022 at 2:37 PM, spidrvacc said:

im torn ( no pun) i thought 2.0 yiu can have torn out pages as long as they are still in book. not missing.  

2.5 would probably be the maximum that I would consider, but again, I'm not sure what CGC's stance is.

@The Lions Den, care to weigh in?

[Lazyboy]

Wouldn't this be similar to a detached centerfold?

[KirbyTown]

With tape keeping it together, I've seen up to a 1.5 with complete book splits.

Here's an interesting 1.8 double cover that's essentially a folder holding a stack of paper:

 

 

[zzutak]

A book with a detached cover, page, pages, wrap, or wraps will not automatically receive a grade of 0.5 PR.  Books with the aforementioned defects are eligible for either Universal (Blue Label) Grades or Qualified (Green Label) Grades, depending on their "otherwise" condition (the book's condition aside from the detachment defect).  As a general rule, only books with an "otherwise" condition of 4.0~4.5 and higher are eligible to receive Qualified Grades.  Here are the receipts :

[spidrvacc]

thank you everyone. so no automatic.5 and should not say incomplete. all im looking for again thank you all.

[MattTheDuck]

On 8/2/2022 at 1:06 PM, KirbyTown said:

With tape keeping it together, I've seen up to a 1.5 with complete book splits.

Here's an interesting 1.8 double cover that's essentially a folder holding a stack of paper:

 

 

That is a beautiful book

[The Lions Den]

On 8/2/2022 at 2:44 PM, theCapraAegagrus said:

2.5 would probably be the maximum that I would consider, but again, I'm not sure what CGC's stance is.

@The Lions Den, care to weigh in?

It's interesting that you can still receive a blue label for a book with detached pages that grades in the Fine range...

[The Lions Den]

On 8/2/2022 at 6:44 PM, Skoob Cimoc said:

FTFY

I don't really care if you edit my comments, but it'd be a lot cooler if you didn't...  

[zzutak]

On 8/2/2022 at 3:42 PM, The Lions Den said:

It's interesting that you can still receive a blue label for a book with detached pages that grades in the Fine range

Just spitballin' here, but CGC's "apparently lenient" treatment of the Betty & Veronica Annual #1 (100 pgs, CGC 4.5), World's Finest Comics #13 (84 pgs, CGC 5.0), NY World's Fair Comics #2 (100 pgs, CGC 5.5), and Katy Keene Annual #3 (100 pgs, CGC 6.0) may (may!) have something to do with the fact that these issues were all manufactured with individual leaves rather than wraps.  The book was held together with glue along the spine rather than staples (a technique known as "perfect binding").  As the glue dries out, individual leaves often come loose.  Indeed, I've seen many lightly-worn, glue-bound specimens that have degraded to the point where every single leaf is loose.  No staple holes, tears, or missing pieces; just a stack of loose leaves surrounded by a cover. 

Are a few loose leaves in an 84-page or 100-page glue-bound comic really that much different from a cleanly detached centerfold on a 52 page or 36-page staple-bound comic?   

As I said, this is all just speculation.  It's also possible that the VG/FN to FN examples I shared in my first post are the work of a single, rogue grader, on a mission to destroy the credibility and reputation of CGC.  

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 8/2/2022 at 6:42 PM, The Lions Den said:

It's interesting that you can still receive a blue label for a book with detached pages that grades in the Fine range...

What do you think the maximum grade should be for a book in such condition?

[The Lions Den]

On 8/3/2022 at 6:44 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

What do you think the maximum grade should be for a book in such condition?

In my mind a major defect like that should be Qualified unless the book is extremely low grade. But whatever... 

[KirbyTown]

"When is a book no longer a book?"

[AnnSteverson]

On 8/2/2022 at 7:24 PM, spidrvacc said:

curious how this affects grade.

got a copy of FF annual 2.  books maybe a 2.5 .  cover is small split but attached. 2 story  pages are torn out but placed back in book  so all pages just 2 were ripped out and places back , loose but again no missing pages. 

want to CGC and display with all my other CGCs i have on my comic wall in my man cave even though technically not something i would cgc but again its not to sell. its just for display. so dont kill me for wanting to cgc.

because of the 2 torn out but there pages would it get the.5 garde automaticly like missing pages gets?

 

thanks 
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I don't know who is the person who rips out the pages, it's terrible

Edited June 1, 2023 by AnnSteverson