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ExNihilo

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On 8/10/2022 at 5:24 PM, bc said:

What shocks me is if this is an official set of responses, their Marketing team must have been involved.

As a small business owner, your brand is everything. The accumulation of customer experience concerns and current issue expressed in this thread over the last few years would probably make my marketing team cut my brake lines.

To continue to risk your brand over so little is truly mind boggling and extremely short-sighted.

-bc

If their marketing department is anything like their quality control team the last 2+ years, I'd reckon that it's non-existent.  Much like their PR team.

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On 8/10/2022 at 6:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • Line cutting
  • Influencers pre-buying books before the con is open and before those books are supposedly available
  • Influencers hyping a book they are selling on WhatNot
  • Retailer selling out of books for collectors because dirty flippers bought them all without a limit to purchase
  • Limit to purchase books (from unlimited down to 1 or 2) instituted right after flippers finish buying their mass quantities
  • Book shows up on CBSI Top 10 list the day it is released and no one supposedly knew about the book
  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)
  • Raising the price of books while other people are still in line ($85 up $100 for raws and $500 to $750 for 9.8's)
  • Charging $2500 for a 10.0 at the booth
  • Artist possibly related to the store selling the copies
  • Store recycling exclusives by adding acetate covers to "limited edition books"
  • Marvel did not approve the acetate covers, someone knows a VP
  • Bleedingcool.com publishes Marvel did not approve of this
  • The wheels are rolling
  • People who buy 79 copies of a book with 750 copies
  • Youtube influencers put up videos defending the practice of them being able to buy books before others because "it's their livelihood, they quit their day job to do this and you are just a collector with no financial interest."
  • Youtube influencers take down video defending what they did.
  • Other Youtube influencers criticize original Youtube influencers for (a) putting up the video defending their actions and (b) taking the video down.
  • CGC says it stands by the decision.
  • CGC says it will reply with more details the next day.
  • CGC more details = we did it for Stray Dogs 1 Acetate cover
  • Stray Dogs publisher = please leave us out of this, we have no part in this.
  • Stray Dogs book had different UPC code and acetate cover installed when book produced, UF4 book has same UPC code as previously released store exclusive and acetate cover added later, post production
  • Instagram poster that bought 79 copies... turns out only 15 are for her, the rest are for friends.
  • Instagram poster posts apology
  • Instagram poster deletes apology
  • Instagram poster turns off comments
  • Photoshop of instagram poster with 79 copies makes people laugh
  • Instagram poster gets roasted in WhatNot auction in the comments, asks people to be booted from auction.
  • Instagram poster gave some books away and sold some to friends at regular $85 retail price.
  • Instagram poster feels bad for people that didn't get books that waited in line, tried to do something about it.
  • YouTuber tries to sell book on eBay and donate profits to veterans causes, eBay takes listing down after angry comic book fam mass notifies eBay of fradulant listings (hot damn, comic fam!)
  • eBay takes down listings of books as bootleg copies
  • eBay shill bids of over $1000 prevent ignorant buyers from buying book
  • Greggy, i don't know wtf that means but it's here
  • Store exclusive UF4 has a print run of 750 (actually 750 left over copies from last year) and got graded as a 10.0, 3 9.9's and several 9.8's...  then releases 2 more store exclusives for upcoming Boston show that also has one 10.0, three 9.9's and several 9.8's but this time with a print run of only 350.
  • CGC graded these post production modified books in Blue Label Universal grade.  
  • CGC says Acetate cover made by the original artist so it's all good for Blue Label.
  • Posters say it should be Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be Purple Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow/Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be "NG".
  • Posters say it should be Blue Label with notes stating cover was attached after production.
  • Signature on Acetate is a printing, not real signature.  
  • Folded flag on cover shows red and white, folded American flags should never show red & white.
  • Cover marketed as homage to veterans, no money from books sales goes to veterans.  Bronze & Modern Gods YT channel host is a veteran and is not amused.
  • Screen shot of direct messaging to CGC, CGC comments their "head grading team" is on the case.  Who is this mysterious head grading team?  Speculation goes wild.
  • CGC description on label states "In God We Trust", cover of book says "In God We Intrust"
  • Like 20 pages of posts of people wanting to Acetate own covers and get 9.9 or 10.0's.
  • Like 10 pages of "Bad Idea" and this is the "Ultimate Fallout" posts.
  • Boston Fan Expo aware of issue but mid level management keeping opinions silent and waiting for the boss to make a decision/statement
  • Outrage over influencers going through CGC grading course
  • Many people learning there is a website called CBSI (Comic Book Speculation and Investing) and saying the end of times is here.
  • Can we get comics graded as 11.0?
  • Selling these on WhatNot is a violation of WhatNot's own TOS
  • Key Collector App has ethics
  • Black Flag will make TWO lines at the next con... 1 for influencers and resellers who can buy 10 copies each.  and 1 line for collectors that can buy 1 each.
  • The collectors will get 100 copies, the influencers and flippers will get 250 copies.
  • Misogyny
  • Blackstone does not equal Black Flag
  • Vanilla Ice, cowbell, Grover Cleveland, Ding Dongs, invisible books, lots of people eating popcorn, hulk vs wolverine in some 1950's neighborhood, 9.9 Bibles, 11.0 dictionary's, squirrels smoking crack, lots of tires hitting people and removing the tire that actually seriously hurt someone
  • Acetate Gate nickname coined
  • Jumping the shark?  Can it be done twice?
  • Black Flag drove 22 hours to sell these comics so it's ok.
  • CB** weighs in with shots fired mess post elsewhere.
  • Books would be ok if torn up and made into collages
  • CGCMike throws down the gauntlet and says he expected more replies than this... "only 57 notifications in 4 hours?"
  • It should be graded as a double cover
  • It should be graded by both covers and the interior
  • Stop promoting competitor graders just because of this controversy
  • No one knows what C2E2 thinks of this
  • Skeff got 10 copies that he sold that night
  • Books were graded at CGC, not onsite at C2E2.  Books graded with other acetate Black Flag covers.  
  • CGC dealer discount dropped to 15% and $200 yr fee this year
  • What if Chic-Fit-A did this???
  • eBay is the new standard for ethics.
  • Many pics of census screenshots to show lack of 9.9's and 10's
  • Black Flag IG is gone.  Now it's back.
  • Black Flag IG posts on UF4 are all gone now.
  • Several accountants posting expected profit of $30k+ for this by the retailer.

You spent more time making that list than CGC spent thinking about the repercussions of this whole grading situation.

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On 8/10/2022 at 8:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • Line cutting
  • Influencers pre-buying books before the con is open and before those books are supposedly available
  • Influencers hyping a book they are selling on WhatNot
  • Retailer selling out of books for collectors because dirty flippers bought them all without a limit to purchase
  • Limit to purchase books (from unlimited down to 1 or 2) instituted right after flippers finish buying their mass quantities
  • Book shows up on CBSI Top 10 list the day it is released and no one supposedly knew about the book
  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)
  • Raising the price of books while other people are still in line ($85 up $100 for raws and $500 to $750 for 9.8's)
  • Charging $2500 for a 10.0 at the booth
  • Artist possibly related to the store selling the copies
  • Store recycling exclusives by adding acetate covers to "limited edition books"
  • Marvel did not approve the acetate covers, someone knows a VP
  • Bleedingcool.com publishes Marvel did not approve of this
  • The wheels are rolling
  • People who buy 79 copies of a book with 750 copies
  • Youtube influencers put up videos defending the practice of them being able to buy books before others because "it's their livelihood, they quit their day job to do this and you are just a collector with no financial interest."
  • Youtube influencers take down video defending what they did.
  • Other Youtube influencers criticize original Youtube influencers for (a) putting up the video defending their actions and (b) taking the video down.
  • CGC says it stands by the decision.
  • CGC says it will reply with more details the next day.
  • CGC more details = we did it for Stray Dogs 1 Acetate cover
  • Stray Dogs publisher = please leave us out of this, we have no part in this.
  • Stray Dogs book had different UPC code and acetate cover installed when book produced, UF4 book has same UPC code as previously released store exclusive and acetate cover added later, post production
  • Instagram poster that bought 79 copies... turns out only 15 are for her, the rest are for friends.
  • Instagram poster posts apology
  • Instagram poster deletes apology
  • Instagram poster turns off comments
  • Photoshop of instagram poster with 79 copies makes people laugh
  • Instagram poster gets roasted in WhatNot auction in the comments, asks people to be booted from auction.
  • Instagram poster gave some books away and sold some to friends at regular $85 retail price.
  • Instagram poster feels bad for people that didn't get books that waited in line, tried to do something about it.
  • YouTuber tries to sell book on eBay and donate profits to veterans causes, eBay takes listing down after angry comic book fam mass notifies eBay of fradulant listings (hot damn, comic fam!)
  • eBay takes down listings of books as bootleg copies
  • eBay shill bids of over $1000 prevent ignorant buyers from buying book
  • Greggy, i don't know wtf that means but it's here
  • Store exclusive UF4 has a print run of 750 (actually 750 left over copies from last year) and got graded as a 10.0, 3 9.9's and several 9.8's...  then releases 2 more store exclusives for upcoming Boston show that also has one 10.0, three 9.9's and several 9.8's but this time with a print run of only 350.
  • CGC graded these post production modified books in Blue Label Universal grade.  
  • CGC says Acetate cover made by the original artist so it's all good for Blue Label.
  • Posters say it should be Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be Purple Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow/Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be "NG".
  • Posters say it should be Blue Label with notes stating cover was attached after production.
  • Signature on Acetate is a printing, not real signature.  
  • Folded flag on cover shows red and white, folded American flags should never show red & white.
  • Cover marketed as homage to veterans, no money from books sales goes to veterans.  Bronze & Modern Gods YT channel host is a veteran and is not amused.
  • Screen shot of direct messaging to CGC, CGC comments their "head grading team" is on the case.  Who is this mysterious head grading team?  Speculation goes wild.
  • CGC description on label states "In God We Trust", cover of book says "In God We Intrust"
  • Like 20 pages of posts of people wanting to Acetate own covers and get 9.9 or 10.0's.
  • Like 10 pages of "Bad Idea" and this is the "Ultimate Fallout" posts.
  • Boston Fan Expo aware of issue but mid level management keeping opinions silent and waiting for the boss to make a decision/statement
  • Outrage over influencers going through CGC grading course
  • Many people learning there is a website called CBSI (Comic Book Speculation and Investing) and saying the end of times is here.
  • Can we get comics graded as 11.0?
  • Selling these on WhatNot is a violation of WhatNot's own TOS
  • Key Collector App has ethics
  • Black Flag will make TWO lines at the next con... 1 for influencers and resellers who can buy 10 copies each.  and 1 line for collectors that can buy 1 each.
  • The collectors will get 100 copies, the influencers and flippers will get 250 copies.
  • Misogyny
  • Blackstone does not equal Black Flag
  • Vanilla Ice, cowbell, Grover Cleveland, Ding Dongs, invisible books, lots of people eating popcorn, hulk vs wolverine in some 1950's neighborhood, 9.9 Bibles, 11.0 dictionary's, squirrels smoking crack, lots of tires hitting people and removing the tire that actually seriously hurt someone
  • Acetate Gate nickname coined
  • Jumping the shark?  Can it be done twice?
  • Black Flag drove 22 hours to sell these comics so it's ok.
  • CB** weighs in with shots fired mess post elsewhere.
  • Books would be ok if torn up and made into collages
  • CGCMike throws down the gauntlet and says he expected more replies than this... "only 57 notifications in 4 hours?"
  • It should be graded as a double cover
  • It should be graded by both covers and the interior
  • Stop promoting competitor graders just because of this controversy
  • No one knows what C2E2 thinks of this
  • Skeff got 10 copies that he sold that night
  • Books were graded at CGC, not onsite at C2E2.  Books graded with other acetate Black Flag covers.  
  • CGC dealer discount dropped to 15% and $200 yr fee this year
  • What if Chic-Fit-A did this???
  • eBay is the new standard for ethics.
  • Many pics of census screenshots to show lack of 9.9's and 10's
  • Black Flag IG is gone.  Now it's back.
  • Black Flag IG posts on UF4 are all gone now.
  • Several accountants posting expected profit of $30k+ for this by the retailer.

Somehow this went from hucksters crying about influencers cutting in line to there being a greater than 0% chance Mark Zaid has to get involved. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 3:02 PM, justafan said:

No, I think that should be banned. I've been against pre-show vulturing of books and deals by exhibitors and vendors before any of the VIP ticket holders or general admission ticket holder are allowed in.  I was listening to Thoro Comics breakdown of Gem's youtube and one of his guests, Tito from Kingdom Comics, shared this same opinion that NO ONE should be allowed to buy con exclusives before the doors open to general attendees. Con exclusives are for the fans and attendees of the show, not the dealers and exhibitors.  He went further to state that the practice of exhibitors selling to exhibitors before the show opens to the general public should also be stopped.  It isn't fair to people coming for deals when all the deals have been scooped up and are now being forced to pay secondary convention market prices before the show even opens.   I wholeheartedly agree with this but I doubt anyone would be able to police that.  The only way would be to let everyone start going in when they allow the dealers to enter to start setting up.

He says this around the 1:40:00 mark.

 

I agree and this is why all of them look like total clowns and take all their stuff down. They honestly think there is nothing
wrong with them walking up and buy 75 copies while the guy who has been in the line gets told they are sold out. 

Now that they realize this is going to hurt them financially they are worried and pull their posts down. I'd have so much more
respect for any of them if they just came out apologized and said my bad. Instead they continue to claim there is nothing
wrong here and we will keep doing it. Its a terrible mistake and they get killed here, whatnot, facebook and youtube. 
Ive had several just pull them down I was watching after their fans just slaughtered them in comments.

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On 8/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)

CBSI was the root cause of the proliferation of retailer variants that started many years ago. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • Line cutting
  • Influencers pre-buying books before the con is open and before those books are supposedly available
  • Influencers hyping a book they are selling on WhatNot
  • Retailer selling out of books for collectors because dirty flippers bought them all without a limit to purchase
  • Limit to purchase books (from unlimited down to 1 or 2) instituted right after flippers finish buying their mass quantities
  • Book shows up on CBSI Top 10 list the day it is released and no one supposedly knew about the book
  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)
  • Raising the price of books while other people are still in line ($85 up $100 for raws and $500 to $750 for 9.8's)
  • Charging $2500 for a 10.0 at the booth
  • Artist possibly related to the store selling the copies
  • Store recycling exclusives by adding acetate covers to "limited edition books"
  • Marvel did not approve the acetate covers, someone knows a VP
  • Bleedingcool.com publishes Marvel did not approve of this
  • The wheels are rolling
  • People who buy 79 copies of a book with 750 copies
  • Youtube influencers put up videos defending the practice of them being able to buy books before others because "it's their livelihood, they quit their day job to do this and you are just a collector with no financial interest."
  • Youtube influencers take down video defending what they did.
  • Other Youtube influencers criticize original Youtube influencers for (a) putting up the video defending their actions and (b) taking the video down.
  • CGC says it stands by the decision.
  • CGC says it will reply with more details the next day.
  • CGC more details = we did it for Stray Dogs 1 Acetate cover
  • Stray Dogs publisher = please leave us out of this, we have no part in this.
  • Stray Dogs book had different UPC code and acetate cover installed when book produced, UF4 book has same UPC code as previously released store exclusive and acetate cover added later, post production
  • Instagram poster that bought 79 copies... turns out only 15 are for her, the rest are for friends.
  • Instagram poster posts apology
  • Instagram poster deletes apology
  • Instagram poster turns off comments
  • Photoshop of instagram poster with 79 copies makes people laugh
  • Instagram poster gets roasted in WhatNot auction in the comments, asks people to be booted from auction.
  • Instagram poster gave some books away and sold some to friends at regular $85 retail price.
  • Instagram poster feels bad for people that didn't get books that waited in line, tried to do something about it.
  • YouTuber tries to sell book on eBay and donate profits to veterans causes, eBay takes listing down after angry comic book fam mass notifies eBay of fradulant listings (hot damn, comic fam!)
  • eBay takes down listings of books as bootleg copies
  • eBay shill bids of over $1000 prevent ignorant buyers from buying book
  • Greggy, i don't know wtf that means but it's here
  • Store exclusive UF4 has a print run of 750 (actually 750 left over copies from last year) and got graded as a 10.0, 3 9.9's and several 9.8's...  then releases 2 more store exclusives for upcoming Boston show that also has one 10.0, three 9.9's and several 9.8's but this time with a print run of only 350.
  • CGC graded these post production modified books in Blue Label Universal grade.  
  • CGC says Acetate cover made by the original artist so it's all good for Blue Label.
  • Posters say it should be Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be Purple Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow/Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be "NG".
  • Posters say it should be Blue Label with notes stating cover was attached after production.
  • Signature on Acetate is a printing, not real signature.  
  • Folded flag on cover shows red and white, folded American flags should never show red & white.
  • Cover marketed as homage to veterans, no money from books sales goes to veterans.  Bronze & Modern Gods YT channel host is a veteran and is not amused.
  • Screen shot of direct messaging to CGC, CGC comments their "head grading team" is on the case.  Who is this mysterious head grading team?  Speculation goes wild.
  • CGC description on label states "In God We Trust", cover of book says "In God We Intrust"
  • Like 20 pages of posts of people wanting to Acetate own covers and get 9.9 or 10.0's.
  • Like 10 pages of "Bad Idea" and this is the "Ultimate Fallout" posts.
  • Boston Fan Expo aware of issue but mid level management keeping opinions silent and waiting for the boss to make a decision/statement
  • Outrage over influencers going through CGC grading course
  • Many people learning there is a website called CBSI (Comic Book Speculation and Investing) and saying the end of times is here.
  • Can we get comics graded as 11.0?
  • Selling these on WhatNot is a violation of WhatNot's own TOS
  • Key Collector App has ethics
  • Black Flag will make TWO lines at the next con... 1 for influencers and resellers who can buy 10 copies each.  and 1 line for collectors that can buy 1 each.
  • The collectors will get 100 copies, the influencers and flippers will get 250 copies.
  • Misogyny
  • Blackstone does not equal Black Flag
  • Vanilla Ice, cowbell, Grover Cleveland, Ding Dongs, invisible books, lots of people eating popcorn, hulk vs wolverine in some 1950's neighborhood, 9.9 Bibles, 11.0 dictionary's, squirrels smoking crack, lots of tires hitting people and removing the tire that actually seriously hurt someone
  • Acetate Gate nickname coined
  • Jumping the shark?  Can it be done twice?
  • Black Flag drove 22 hours to sell these comics so it's ok.
  • CB** weighs in with shots fired mess post elsewhere.
  • Books would be ok if torn up and made into collages
  • CGCMike throws down the gauntlet and says he expected more replies than this... "only 57 notifications in 4 hours?"
  • It should be graded as a double cover
  • It should be graded by both covers and the interior
  • Stop promoting competitor graders just because of this controversy
  • No one knows what C2E2 thinks of this
  • Skeff got 10 copies that he sold that night
  • Books were graded at CGC, not onsite at C2E2.  Books graded with other acetate Black Flag covers.  
  • CGC dealer discount dropped to 15% and $200 yr fee this year
  • What if Chic-Fit-A did this???
  • eBay is the new standard for ethics.
  • Many pics of census screenshots to show lack of 9.9's and 10's
  • Black Flag IG is gone.  Now it's back.
  • Black Flag IG posts on UF4 are all gone now.
  • Several accountants posting expected profit of $30k+ for this by the retailer.

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Edit :This one is a good cliff notes summary @CGC Mike

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On 8/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • Line cutting
  • Influencers pre-buying books before the con is open and before those books are supposedly available
  • Influencers hyping a book they are selling on WhatNot
  • Retailer selling out of books for collectors because dirty flippers bought them all without a limit to purchase
  • Limit to purchase books (from unlimited down to 1 or 2) instituted right after flippers finish buying their mass quantities
  • Book shows up on CBSI Top 10 list the day it is released and no one supposedly knew about the book
  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)
  • Raising the price of books while other people are still in line ($85 up $100 for raws and $500 to $750 for 9.8's)
  • Charging $2500 for a 10.0 at the booth
  • Artist possibly related to the store selling the copies
  • Store recycling exclusives by adding acetate covers to "limited edition books"
  • Marvel did not approve the acetate covers, someone knows a VP
  • Bleedingcool.com publishes Marvel did not approve of this
  • The wheels are rolling
  • People who buy 79 copies of a book with 750 copies
  • Youtube influencers put up videos defending the practice of them being able to buy books before others because "it's their livelihood, they quit their day job to do this and you are just a collector with no financial interest."
  • Youtube influencers take down video defending what they did.
  • Other Youtube influencers criticize original Youtube influencers for (a) putting up the video defending their actions and (b) taking the video down.
  • CGC says it stands by the decision.
  • CGC says it will reply with more details the next day.
  • CGC more details = we did it for Stray Dogs 1 Acetate cover
  • Stray Dogs publisher = please leave us out of this, we have no part in this.
  • Stray Dogs book had different UPC code and acetate cover installed when book produced, UF4 book has same UPC code as previously released store exclusive and acetate cover added later, post production
  • Instagram poster that bought 79 copies... turns out only 15 are for her, the rest are for friends.
  • Instagram poster posts apology
  • Instagram poster deletes apology
  • Instagram poster turns off comments
  • Photoshop of instagram poster with 79 copies makes people laugh
  • Instagram poster gets roasted in WhatNot auction in the comments, asks people to be booted from auction.
  • Instagram poster gave some books away and sold some to friends at regular $85 retail price.
  • Instagram poster feels bad for people that didn't get books that waited in line, tried to do something about it.
  • YouTuber tries to sell book on eBay and donate profits to veterans causes, eBay takes listing down after angry comic book fam mass notifies eBay of fradulant listings (hot damn, comic fam!)
  • eBay takes down listings of books as bootleg copies
  • eBay shill bids of over $1000 prevent ignorant buyers from buying book
  • Greggy, i don't know wtf that means but it's here
  • Store exclusive UF4 has a print run of 750 (actually 750 left over copies from last year) and got graded as a 10.0, 3 9.9's and several 9.8's...  then releases 2 more store exclusives for upcoming Boston show that also has one 10.0, three 9.9's and several 9.8's but this time with a print run of only 350.
  • CGC graded these post production modified books in Blue Label Universal grade.  
  • CGC says Acetate cover made by the original artist so it's all good for Blue Label.
  • Posters say it should be Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be Purple Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow/Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be "NG".
  • Posters say it should be Blue Label with notes stating cover was attached after production.
  • Signature on Acetate is a printing, not real signature.  
  • Folded flag on cover shows red and white, folded American flags should never show red & white.
  • Cover marketed as homage to veterans, no money from books sales goes to veterans.  Bronze & Modern Gods YT channel host is a veteran and is not amused.
  • Screen shot of direct messaging to CGC, CGC comments their "head grading team" is on the case.  Who is this mysterious head grading team?  Speculation goes wild.
  • CGC description on label states "In God We Trust", cover of book says "In God We Intrust"
  • Like 20 pages of posts of people wanting to Acetate own covers and get 9.9 or 10.0's.
  • Like 10 pages of "Bad Idea" and this is the "Ultimate Fallout" posts.
  • Boston Fan Expo aware of issue but mid level management keeping opinions silent and waiting for the boss to make a decision/statement
  • Outrage over influencers going through CGC grading course
  • Many people learning there is a website called CBSI (Comic Book Speculation and Investing) and saying the end of times is here.
  • Can we get comics graded as 11.0?
  • Selling these on WhatNot is a violation of WhatNot's own TOS
  • Key Collector App has ethics
  • Black Flag will make TWO lines at the next con... 1 for influencers and resellers who can buy 10 copies each.  and 1 line for collectors that can buy 1 each.
  • The collectors will get 100 copies, the influencers and flippers will get 250 copies.
  • Misogyny
  • Blackstone does not equal Black Flag
  • Vanilla Ice, cowbell, Grover Cleveland, Ding Dongs, invisible books, lots of people eating popcorn, hulk vs wolverine in some 1950's neighborhood, 9.9 Bibles, 11.0 dictionary's, squirrels smoking crack, lots of tires hitting people and removing the tire that actually seriously hurt someone
  • Acetate Gate nickname coined
  • Jumping the shark?  Can it be done twice?
  • Black Flag drove 22 hours to sell these comics so it's ok.
  • CB** weighs in with shots fired mess post elsewhere.
  • Books would be ok if torn up and made into collages
  • CGCMike throws down the gauntlet and says he expected more replies than this... "only 57 notifications in 4 hours?"
  • It should be graded as a double cover
  • It should be graded by both covers and the interior
  • Stop promoting competitor graders just because of this controversy
  • No one knows what C2E2 thinks of this
  • Skeff got 10 copies that he sold that night
  • Books were graded at CGC, not onsite at C2E2.  Books graded with other acetate Black Flag covers.  
  • CGC dealer discount dropped to 15% and $200 yr fee this year
  • What if Chic-Fit-A did this???
  • eBay is the new standard for ethics.
  • Many pics of census screenshots to show lack of 9.9's and 10's
  • Black Flag IG is gone.  Now it's back.
  • Black Flag IG posts on UF4 are all gone now.
  • Several accountants posting expected profit of $30k+ for this by the retailer.

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On 8/10/2022 at 8:30 PM, TTony said:

If you are new here, to summarize the last 79 pages of this thread...

  • Line cutting
  • Influencers pre-buying books before the con is open and before those books are supposedly available
  • Influencers hyping a book they are selling on WhatNot
  • Retailer selling out of books for collectors because dirty flippers bought them all without a limit to purchase
  • Limit to purchase books (from unlimited down to 1 or 2) instituted right after flippers finish buying their mass quantities
  • Book shows up on CBSI Top 10 list the day it is released and no one supposedly knew about the book
  • No one mentions CBSI comment on book "That being said, the homages.. bleh.  Please make it stop." (I guess this doesn't fit the narrative?)
  • Raising the price of books while other people are still in line ($85 up $100 for raws and $500 to $750 for 9.8's)
  • Charging $2500 for a 10.0 at the booth
  • Artist possibly related to the store selling the copies
  • Store recycling exclusives by adding acetate covers to "limited edition books"
  • Marvel did not approve the acetate covers, someone knows a VP
  • Bleedingcool.com publishes Marvel did not approve of this
  • The wheels are rolling
  • People who buy 79 copies of a book with 750 copies
  • Youtube influencers put up videos defending the practice of them being able to buy books before others because "it's their livelihood, they quit their day job to do this and you are just a collector with no financial interest."
  • Youtube influencers take down video defending what they did.
  • Other Youtube influencers criticize original Youtube influencers for (a) putting up the video defending their actions and (b) taking the video down.
  • CGC says it stands by the decision.
  • CGC says it will reply with more details the next day.
  • CGC more details = we did it for Stray Dogs 1 Acetate cover
  • Stray Dogs publisher = please leave us out of this, we have no part in this.
  • Stray Dogs book had different UPC code and acetate cover installed when book produced, UF4 book has same UPC code as previously released store exclusive and acetate cover added later, post production
  • Instagram poster that bought 79 copies... turns out only 15 are for her, the rest are for friends.
  • Instagram poster posts apology
  • Instagram poster deletes apology
  • Instagram poster turns off comments
  • Photoshop of instagram poster with 79 copies makes people laugh
  • Instagram poster gets roasted in WhatNot auction in the comments, asks people to be booted from auction.
  • Instagram poster gave some books away and sold some to friends at regular $85 retail price.
  • Instagram poster feels bad for people that didn't get books that waited in line, tried to do something about it.
  • YouTuber tries to sell book on eBay and donate profits to veterans causes, eBay takes listing down after angry comic book fam mass notifies eBay of fradulant listings (hot damn, comic fam!)
  • eBay takes down listings of books as bootleg copies
  • eBay shill bids of over $1000 prevent ignorant buyers from buying book
  • Greggy, i don't know wtf that means but it's here
  • Store exclusive UF4 has a print run of 750 (actually 750 left over copies from last year) and got graded as a 10.0, 3 9.9's and several 9.8's...  then releases 2 more store exclusives for upcoming Boston show that also has one 10.0, three 9.9's and several 9.8's but this time with a print run of only 350.
  • CGC graded these post production modified books in Blue Label Universal grade.  
  • CGC says Acetate cover made by the original artist so it's all good for Blue Label.
  • Posters say it should be Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be Purple Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow Label.
  • Posters say it should be Yellow/Green Label.
  • Posters say it should be "NG".
  • Posters say it should be Blue Label with notes stating cover was attached after production.
  • Signature on Acetate is a printing, not real signature.  
  • Folded flag on cover shows red and white, folded American flags should never show red & white.
  • Cover marketed as homage to veterans, no money from books sales goes to veterans.  Bronze & Modern Gods YT channel host is a veteran and is not amused.
  • Screen shot of direct messaging to CGC, CGC comments their "head grading team" is on the case.  Who is this mysterious head grading team?  Speculation goes wild.
  • CGC description on label states "In God We Trust", cover of book says "In God We Intrust"
  • Like 20 pages of posts of people wanting to Acetate own covers and get 9.9 or 10.0's.
  • Like 10 pages of "Bad Idea" and this is the "Ultimate Fallout" posts.
  • Boston Fan Expo aware of issue but mid level management keeping opinions silent and waiting for the boss to make a decision/statement
  • Outrage over influencers going through CGC grading course
  • Many people learning there is a website called CBSI (Comic Book Speculation and Investing) and saying the end of times is here.
  • Can we get comics graded as 11.0?
  • Selling these on WhatNot is a violation of WhatNot's own TOS
  • Key Collector App has ethics
  • Black Flag will make TWO lines at the next con... 1 for influencers and resellers who can buy 10 copies each.  and 1 line for collectors that can buy 1 each.
  • The collectors will get 100 copies, the influencers and flippers will get 250 copies.
  • Misogyny
  • Blackstone does not equal Black Flag
  • Vanilla Ice, cowbell, Grover Cleveland, Ding Dongs, invisible books, lots of people eating popcorn, hulk vs wolverine in some 1950's neighborhood, 9.9 Bibles, 11.0 dictionary's, squirrels smoking crack, lots of tires hitting people and removing the tire that actually seriously hurt someone
  • Acetate Gate nickname coined
  • Jumping the shark?  Can it be done twice?
  • Black Flag drove 22 hours to sell these comics so it's ok.
  • CB** weighs in with shots fired mess post elsewhere.
  • Books would be ok if torn up and made into collages
  • CGCMike throws down the gauntlet and says he expected more replies than this... "only 57 notifications in 4 hours?"
  • It should be graded as a double cover
  • It should be graded by both covers and the interior
  • Stop promoting competitor graders just because of this controversy
  • No one knows what C2E2 thinks of this
  • Skeff got 10 copies that he sold that night
  • Books were graded at CGC, not onsite at C2E2.  Books graded with other acetate Black Flag covers.  
  • CGC dealer discount dropped to 15% and $200 yr fee this year
  • What if Chic-Fit-A did this???
  • eBay is the new standard for ethics.
  • Many pics of census screenshots to show lack of 9.9's and 10's
  • Black Flag IG is gone.  Now it's back.
  • Black Flag IG posts on UF4 are all gone now.
  • Several accountants posting expected profit of $30k+ for this by the retailer.

I was really hoping you'd end the list with :

• Recap of 79 pages

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