Kronius Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) This is my first time submitting books to CGC. I submitted 9 books total and have gotten 8 grades back so far. Most of the grades made sense to me generally. I was hoping for at least one 9.8 but didn’t get one. The one book I was surprised didn’t do better was my copy of Wolverine #1. It received a 9.0 WHITE — No grader notes. Below are the pics I took before I submitted them to CFP for pressing. I don’t have it back yet so let’s just assume for now that the book did not get damaged somewhere along the way. I do not claim to be an expert but I was very surprised this didn’t get at least a 9.2 and maybe a 9.4. It has a very small color breaking crease on the back cover, bottom left corner, but a 9.0 feels harsh to me. Thoughts? Edited January 6, 2023 by Kronius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Funnybooks Posted January 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2023 appears to be a big 'ol fingerprint or color rub on the top left corner of the bc...unless it's artifact from the pics? theCapraAegagrus, jsilverjanet, KCOComics and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronius Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 8:54 PM, Funnybooks said: appears to be a big 'ol fingerprint or color rub on the top left corner of the bc...unless it's artifact from the pics? Man, I think you’re right. I thought that was just glare but I just zoomed in really tight and it’s definitely a fingerprint. Damn. Guess that didn’t come out in the pressing. Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) your copy is tight otherwise Edited January 6, 2023 by Funnybooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lightning55 Posted January 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2023 Comics with a heavy of dose of black backgrounds are notoriously difficult to achieve the highest grades. So easy to see white showing where it shouldn't be, very glaring. The fingerprint mentioned also looks like it might be color loss, or color rub, and again on the black. There seem to be quite a few horizontal scratches on the back cover, too. Maybe machine made, maybe just from handling. MAY1979, Funnybooks, B2D327 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 8:58 PM, Kronius said: Man, I think you’re right. I thought that was just glare but I just zoomed in really tight and it’s definitely a fingerprint. Damn. Guess that didn’t come out in the pressing. Pressing isn't magic. If there are fingerprints with ink lifting/smudging, that can't be fixed without restoring the comic with added ink. I don't understand how that got 9.0 either. I wouldn't go above 8.0 based on what I can see. littledoom and Funnybooks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just from those pictures I can note three defects (pronounced fingerprints on back, back bottom left corner damage, and a bend top center front cover) and that would be enough to drop it down especially if there are other defects we are not seeing here. B2D327 and Funnybooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 The bend at the top center is visible in the photos, but the photos are pre-pressing. That should hopefully be gone after pressing, and not a factor in the grade. The final 9.0 looks about right to me +/- a bit. Nice front cover for presentation, lost it on the back cover. Funnybooks and thehumantorch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littledoom Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 7:38 PM, Lazyboy said: On 1/5/2023 at 6:58 PM, Kronius said: Man, I think you’re right. I thought that was just glare but I just zoomed in really tight and it’s definitely a fingerprint. Damn. Guess that didn’t come out in the pressing. Pressing isn't magic. If there are fingerprints with ink lifting/smudging, that can't be fixed without restoring the comic with added ink. I don't understand how that got 9.0 either. I wouldn't go above 8.0 based on what I can see. I'd say lucky to get a 9.0 with those fingerprints Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) Fingerprint definitely did it. (Would have been apt for them to have included that as a grader note, though.) Edited January 6, 2023 by theCapraAegagrus eastriver400 and Funnybooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeseFrog Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Thumbprint on the back. Wondering about this on the front as well.. hard to tell if it may break a bit of color: Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Sooooooo I have 9.8s with ticks and we are here talking about a finger print or color rub bringing a pressed book all the way down to a 9.0? Funnybooks and Phill the Governor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I know the fingerprint has been mentioned, but I am also curious about the non-color breaking scuffs in the black ink areas, if those would also detract. And the spine seems to be either a little dirty or a stacking color rub. I'm not real familiar with Wolvie #1 so I don't know if that's a "thing". Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 9:07 AM, lostboys said: Sooooooo I have 9.8s with ticks and we are here talking about a finger print or color rub bringing a pressed book all the way down to a 9.0? If there's one thing CGC graders have been consistent about, it's being brutal on fingerprints. Only book I've ever submitted where I overlooked the fingerprint smudges came back an 8.0. Structurally it was probably a 9.8. lostboys, CheeseFrog, RockMyAmadeus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 10:14 AM, mattn792 said: If there's one thing CGC graders have been consistent about, it's being brutal on fingerprints. Only book I've ever submitted where I overlooked the fingerprint smudges came back an 8.0. Structurally it was probably a 9.8. I guess but fingerprints are a defect that is easily removed with a bit of warm breath and a tissue. Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CheeseFrog Posted January 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2023 Not when its a fingerprint that removes ink. mattn792, Lazyboy, Funnybooks and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 10:21 AM, lostboys said: I guess but fingerprints are a defect that is easily removed with a bit of warm breath and a tissue. the fingerprint appears to be from an oily residue that has removed ink mattn792 and CheeseFrog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill the Governor Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) CGC has never been more inconsistent. The laughable amount of 8.0/ 8.5/ 9.0s that look like 6.0s. Books that should be a 4.5 or 5.0 that are a 3.0/3.5. 9.8s with multiple spine dents. 9.2s that look like 7.5s. Books I've done conservation on that come back Universal with no mention of the work done. (SO many now) Misplacement of books in their warehouse The really sad part is that every single time without fail it's a new graded book, graded within the last 12-16 months. The almost complete lack of oversight across the boards leaves the only answer that there are too many people working there now that are deficient in the skills required to do the job. Edited January 6, 2023 by Phill the Governor spelling Dr. Balls, Funnybooks, grendelbo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronius Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 10:03 AM, Phill the Governor said: The almost complete lack of oversight across the boards leaves the only answer that there are too many people working there now that are deficient in the skills required to do the job. Only way to reduce turnaround time was to hire more people which means there are a bunch of new people with less experience. Hopefully they get better? Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I did not renew my membership for the first time in eons Phill the Governor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...