juniperpt Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Hi, Old Newbie here. Now retired going through my comics I have had since my youth. Unfortunately most were well read and not much of value today. But then at the time early 1960s, they were great entertaiment. I saw the this comic was popular with collectors. I would appredciate your time in reviewing the attached scans and providing any thoughts to grades and if a clean and press would help improve the grade. The back cover is pretty dirty. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Structurally intact (cover attached at both staples, intact spine, no missing pieces, no long tears); significant color-breaking creasing, handling stress, and shelf wear; non color-breaking bends and wrinkles; heavy soiling and moderate staining. In the 2000s, CGC would most likely award this copy a 2.0 or 2.5. Today, you're probably looking at a 2.5 or 3.0 (as is). I could see a skilled professional transforming this into a CGC 4.0 copy with a proper non-restorative dry cleaning and pressing (although I'd expect that professional to charge 2x/3x his/her normal rate because of the book's extensive soiling and heavy wrinkling). All this being said, I'd defer to @joeypost, should he choose to offer an opinion. juniperpt and Myparentsbasement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scburdet Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 I'd go 3.0 unless someone can get the white areas a lot cleaner. juniperpt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3.5 after a good C&P. Thanks for sharing. juniperpt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 8:05 PM, zzutak said: Structurally intact (cover attached at both staples, intact spine, no missing pieces, no long tears); significant color-breaking creasing, handling stress, and shelf wear; non color-breaking bends and wrinkles; heavy soiling and moderate staining. In the 2000s, CGC would most likely award this copy a 2.0 or 2.5. Today, you're probably looking at a 2.5 or 3.0 (as is). I could see a skilled professional transforming this into a CGC 4.0 copy with a proper non-restorative dry cleaning and pressing (although I'd expect that professional to charge 2x/3x his/her normal rate because of the book's extensive soiling and heavy wrinkling). All this being said, I'd defer to @joeypost, should he choose to offer an opinion. Thank you for your extensive review and remarks, it really helps! I am thinking of sending this comic to CGC for cleaning and pressing. It will be my first time submission. I have heard about the long turn around times for grading/cleaning/pressing, but I am not in any hurry. So I ordered their shipping box of 10 for ease of submitting. Now to find another nine comics of value to fill the box. I'll post some more comics for review later. Again appreciate the comments and insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 8:33 PM, scburdet said: I'd go 3.0 unless someone can get the white areas a lot cleaner. Thanks! That would be a lot of work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 10:18 PM, grendelbo said: 3.5 after a good C&P. Thanks for sharing. Thanks! Plan to do just that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myparentsbasement Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Beauty of a 3.0 after a polish. does it still have the pin-up in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 4:59 PM, Myparentsbasement said: Beauty of a 3.0 after a polish. does it still have the pin-up in the middle? Yes and it is still attached to the staples. Thank you for your comments! Myparentsbasement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3.0- 4.0 dependent on grader if book is "frail" a clean and pressing might damage it? IMHO consult with pro like joeyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 9:49 PM, MAR1979 said: 3.0- 4.0 dependent on grader if book is "frail" a clean and pressing might damage it? IMHO consult with pro like joeyp Thank you for the cautionary insight. I don’t think the comic is frail but I really don’t have a good sense of what is and what isn’t frail. I am really new at this so please bear with me. Who is joeyp and how does one contact him. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 10:51 PM, juniperpt said: Thank you for the cautionary insight. I don’t think the comic is frail but I really don’t have a good sense of what is and what isn’t frail. I am really new at this so please bear with me. Who is joeyp and how does one contact him. Thanks! username = joeypost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8R5 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 8:33 PM, scburdet said: I'd go 3.0 unless someone can get the white areas a lot cleaner. Agreed. And, I mean: a LOT cleaner. Regardless, best of luck on your submittal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 7:41 AM, MAR1979 said: username = joeypost Got it, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 10:32 AM, TRMN8R5 said: Agreed. And, I mean: a LOT cleaner. Regardless, best of luck on your submittal ! Yup, a lot of cleaning needed. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 @juniperpt I believe there is a stain on the back cover. The stain is above "Monster Queen" medal. If the stain is in present, that is a grade killer. Even if you have someone to do the cleaning & pressing, it probably won't boost the grade. It may stay in Good/Very Good range. Take a good look at CGC 4.0 and CGC 3.5 copies (don't look at the raw copies) - https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?ivitems=5237791#54775543 That link will give you a better perspective/glimpse for your book. I have a strong feeling toward 3.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniperpt Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 Yes, you are correct about the stain on the back cover. Looking at it closer, the stain fortunately has not penetrated through the back cover and onto the last page. But while examing, i noticed another stain on the back cover, bottom right. Maybe a water stain? And on back cover, left edge, across from "Vac-U-Form" there is a small tear. The more I look, the more I find. Ugh. The example comic you refer to looks cleaner than my copy. Do you know if the comic was cleaned and pressed? The CGC census has a sweetspot at 4.0 so that would be my goal with a clean and press. Appreciate your time, comments and grade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
