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Stan, Jack, and Steve - The 1960's (1963) Butting Heads, Unexpected Success and Not Expected Failures!
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ON NEWSSTANDS MARCH 1963

Kirby's talent was wasted on Love Romances #105, the 2nd to last issue before it was cancelled. The cover is inked by Al Hartley, with interiors done by Vince Colletta. GCD says the lettering on the cover is by Artie Simek, but they look weird.

No credit boxes, so Stan signs his name to everything so he can get paid. 

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ON NEWSSTANDS MARCH 1963

Kirby's talent was wasted on Love Romances #105, the 2nd to last issue before it was cancelled. The cover is inked by Al Hartley, with interiors done by Vince Colletta. GCD says the lettering on the cover is by Artie Simek, but they look weird.

No credit boxes, so Stan signs his name to everything so he can get paid. 

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Simek's cover lettering is unusually large. Maybe this was a discarded interior panel that was blown up to full-page size?

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Strange Tales #109 - Jack Kirby does the cover and a 13 page story for this issue, but the credit box let's us know that it was (supposedly) a plot by Stan Lee (though Kirby fans will recognize this type of story line), with a -script by Robert Bernstein (again as R. Berns - doing thankfully less here), with 'only' art by Jack Kirby, inking by D. Ayers and lettering by Marty App. 

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Rawhide Kid #34 - Jack Kirby does the cover and a 5 page story for this issue with Stan supplying the --script (very funny) and D. Ayers the inks. Between the cover and the 5 pages here that Jack Keller could've done or the cover and 18 pages he did for Love Romance this month, Kirby could've easily done two 13 page stories for Tales of Suspense (Iron Man) and Journey Into Mystery (Thor). 

Why not?

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Tales of Suspense #42 - But where's the world's 2nd greatest writer - the one who gave Jack Kirby all of his stories?

Larry has rather quickly been banished to 5 page fillers that repeat Stan Lee plots. There's a creative hell for you.

The only good thing about it is seeing this Matt Fox guy ink - does anyone know who he was? (Word is that Larry didn't like him, and felt he over powered his pencils - uh... that's the point, dude.)

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Tales of Suspense #42 - Instead we get this. A master of disguise trying to steal secrets for the communists? Where'd Stan get THAT idea?

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Some of the worst lettering I've seen in a Silver Age Marvel book. Stan sure treated Iron Man as a second-tier feature!

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ON NEWSSTANDS MARCH 1963

Tales of Suspense #42 - But where's the world's 2nd greatest writer - the one who gave Jack Kirby all of his stories?

Larry has rather quickly been banished to 5 page fillers that repeat Stan Lee plots. There's a creative hell for you.

The only good thing about it is seeing this Matt Fox guy ink - does anyone know who he was? (Word is that Larry didn't like him, and felt he over powered his pencils - uh... that's the point, dude.)

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From Wikipedia: "Matthew Fox (1906–1988) was an American illustrator and comic book artist. Fox notably illustrated the covers for the horror pulp magazine Weird Tales from 1943 to 1951. He also contributed art to other pulps, including Crack Detective, Famous Fantastic Mysteries, and Planet Stories. In the 1950s and 1960s he worked for Atlas Comics, contributing inking and penciling to comics publications like Journey into Mystery, World of Fantasy, Tales of Suspense and Journey into Unknown Worlds and for Youthful Comics on Chilling Tales. Fox was much older than most of his colleagues, and his comics are noted for their large amount of detail, and stiff "Victorian woodcut" style."

So, Fox was nearing retirement and looking for work, it seems. Why he went to Marvel, whose rates were second lowest in the industry (slightly better than Charlton) is anybody's guess.

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From Wikipedia: "Matthew Fox (1906–1988) was an American illustrator and comic book artist. Fox notably illustrated the covers for the horror pulp magazine Weird Tales from 1943 to 1951. He also contributed art to other pulps, including Crack Detective, Famous Fantastic Mysteries, and Planet Stories. In the 1950s and 1960s he worked for Atlas Comics, contributing inking and penciling to comics publications like Journey into Mystery, World of Fantasy, Tales of Suspense and Journey into Unknown Worlds and for Youthful Comics on Chilling Tales. Fox was much older than most of his colleagues, and his comics are noted for their large amount of detail, and stiff "Victorian woodcut" style."

So, Fox was nearing retirement and looking for work, it seems. Why he went to Marvel, whose rates were second lowest in the industry (slightly better than Charlton) is anybody's guess.

Maybe all he could get? Wouldn't have fit it in the cleaner style places like DC, Archie, Harvey... and Charlton rates were just as bad...

I kinda like his style...

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Maybe all he could get? Wouldn't have fit it in the cleaner style places like DC, Archie, Harvey... and Charlton rates were just as bad...

I kinda like his style...

I'm reminded of Alfredo Alcala (of all people!) who had a similarly ornate style. Strange that Larry Lieber didn't like his inks--I find that Fox gave his stiff figures some much-needed character!

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