lostboys Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 ASM 200 CGC 9.6 The rest of the book looks perfect but I can't wrap my head around this defect being allowed on a NM+ book? Post grade damage? Upgrayedd2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowGradeBronze Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Maybe it's only that stopping it from being a 9.8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I assume this book received a Blue label? If you are referring to the piece missing on the outer edge then Yes, IMO, that should prevent the book from being a NM+ 9.6. The question then becomes was that piece missing when the book was graded or did it happen after encapsulation? IMO, a book that may otherwise be a NM+ 9.6 with an 1/8" piece missing is not going to be graded any higher than a VF/NM 9.0. GD 2.0 - The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually a 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square, although some Silver Age books such as 1960s Marvels have had the price corner box clipped from the top left front cover and may be considered Good if they would otherwise have graded higher. GD/VG 3.0 - A triangle from 1/4" to 1/2" can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8" to 1/4" square is also acceptable. VG 4.0 - As much as a 1/4" triangle can be missing out of the corner or edge; a missing 1/8" square is also acceptable. VG/FN 5.0 and up - There is no mention of missing pieces. lostboys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Kinda tough to imagine how this flaw would appear while in the case. lostboys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) On 3/1/2023 at 11:33 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: Kinda tough to imagine how this flaw would appear while in the case. I agree 100%. I was thinking it may have been damaged during encapsulation but now that I look at more slabbed copies on Ebay, I see that this defect is present on many high grade copies, some worse than others. Im going to guess its a common manufacturing defect? I still dont agree with it though. Defects like this should always count against the book IMO. And if a high percentage of copies have it, well, those copies should be ineligible for NM or better grades. It seems like every book I buy now has some sort of issue that stresses me out. Im trying to hang in there but collecting comics should not be stressful. I also wanna add that I did see it in the pics but thought: "It must be debris inside the slab...no way a 9.6 has that harsh of a defect." Edited March 1, 2023 by lostboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 So your "Spidey-sense" was tingling and you pulled the trigger anyway, without inquiring? No wonder collecting is stressful to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Looks like a common production tear that CGC made worse when encapsulating the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 1:09 PM, THE_BEYONDER said: Looks like a common production tear that CGC made worse when encapsulating the book. Sounds plausible. To the grader, it probably presented as a healed micro tear. Then folded back during encapsulation, or SCS. THE_BEYONDER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 1:03 PM, Lightning55 said: So your "Spidey-sense" was tingling and you pulled the trigger anyway, without inquiring? No wonder collecting is stressful to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 1:16 PM, Lightning55 said: Sounds plausible. To the grader, it probably presented as a healed micro tear. Then folded back during encapsulation, or SCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 Nothing to fold, the chunk is gone and every page is damaged. Oh well, I needed a nice raw copy anyhow and it wasnt that expensive. I also wanna add that the slab opened way to easily. I just ran my finger nail along the opening and it popped right open. It snapped back closed without sealant too. Ill take a hammer to it when I get home. The slab, not the book. Off Panel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Wow. If the case opened so easily, maybe someone slipped in a capsule with the torn copy in place of the 9.6. I have never had an easy time opening those cases, so that is very concerning that you were able to easily pry it open by hand, and also that it looks ok afterward, no signs of tampering. The security of the system and its integrity would be in jeapardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post buttock Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 1:08 PM, lostboys said: Seeing it like this, it was likely damage that occurred during printing and thus not counted against the grade. silverseeker, RockMyAmadeus, greggy and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 11:51 AM, lostboys said: It seems like every book I buy now has some sort of issue that stresses me out. Im trying to hang in there but collecting comics should not be stressful. Just my opinion... If you do not want to be stressed you should adopt a 1960's/1970's attitude towards collecting, that is, that they are comic books, meant to be opened, read, handled and enjoyed. Todays mentality is high grade only, perfect (NM+ 9.6/NM/MT 9.8), encapsulated books, how much are they worth and "OH NO!!!, a can barely see it defect", will I still get a 9.6? I can imagine the stress of buying new books and having to find the "perfect copy" and keep it that way, sending it for grading and hoping nothing happens to it along the way. I imagine that the era you grew up in has a lot to do with your mentality towards collecting, here's hoping you can find more joy in collecting and a lot less stress. lostboys, mjoeyoung and Aarrow108 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) On 3/2/2023 at 11:15 AM, marvelmaniac said: Just my opinion... If you do not want to be stressed you should adopt a 1960's/1970's attitude towards collecting, that is, that they are comic books, meant to be opened, read, handled and enjoyed. Todays mentality is high grade only, perfect (NM+ 9.6/NM/MT 9.8), encapsulated books, how much are they worth and "OH NO!!!, a can barely see it defect", will I still get a 9.6? I can imagine the stress of buying new books and having to find the "perfect copy" and keep it that way, sending it for grading and hoping nothing happens to it along the way. I imagine that the era you grew up in has a lot to do with your mentality towards collecting, here's hoping you can find more joy in collecting and a lot less stress. Whoa, take it easy there, Dr. Melfi ! I collect what I like as most here do. I like NM/NM+ books and im willing to pay the premium. I collect mostly moderns, ASM aside, so it works for me. ~BUT~ I also have low grade/reader copies, reprints or TPBs for every graded book in my collection. Edited March 2, 2023 by lostboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 3:15 PM, lostboys said: I also wanna add that the slab opened way to easily. I just ran my finger nail along the opening and it popped right open. It snapped back closed without sealant too. Um... @CGC Mike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted March 2, 2023 Administrator Share Posted March 2, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 3:15 PM, lostboys said: Nothing to fold, the chunk is gone and every page is damaged. Oh well, I needed a nice raw copy anyhow and it wasnt that expensive. I also wanna add that the slab opened way to easily. I just ran my finger nail along the opening and it popped right open. It snapped back closed without sealant too. Ill take a hammer to it when I get home. The slab, not the book. Hi Sorry to hear this happened to you. I wish we had the opportunity to inspect the slab and book. I guess it's too late now. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) On 3/2/2023 at 1:27 PM, CGC Mike said: Hi Sorry to hear this happened to you. I wish we had the opportunity to inspect the slab and book. I guess it's too late now. Mike Hi CGC Mike. This was not a book that I submitted but one that I purchased. That said, I did not destroy the slab yet and would be more than happy to send you the empty slab if you provide me with a shipping label. Id like to keep the blue label with the book but this is the cert #: 4123644013 Edited March 2, 2023 by lostboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted March 3, 2023 Administrator Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 2:02 PM, lostboys said: Hi CGC Mike. This was not a book that I submitted but one that I purchased. That said, I did not destroy the slab yet and would be more than happy to send you the empty slab if you provide me with a shipping label. Id like to keep the blue label with the book but this is the cert #: 4123644013 Hi I will ask management to see if they want to examine the slab itself. I am guessing they would have preferred the book and label as well. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 If I was in charge of QC at CGC, or a high level manager, I'd want to take a look at this case that was sealed so securely that it could be opened with a fingernail, no tools, and clicks back together "like it was never even opened", no distinct evidence of tampering. I'd want to know how such a situation could exist in spite of all the supposed efforts to provide a secure, tamper-evident case. I don't have any affiliation with CGC, not my reputation on the line, but things reported like this are a concern to the entire collecting community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
