A Softening Art Market Has Hit Last Years Auction Stars 1 1

[Xatari]

On 1/31/2024 at 10:55 AM, delekkerste said:

U2 - Achtung Baby graded 9.3

One of my all-time favorites!

[tth2]

On 2/1/2024 at 6:56 AM, KirbyCollector said:

I wonder if the ever-increasing need to assign monetary values to one's personal cultural memories speaks of an unspoken insecurity in our society. Culture should be vibrant and alive and forward thinking, yet we seem determined to cling to the past. Commodifying our memories is one way of permanently saying, Things will never be better than before and I can prove it ($$$). The gazillion "classic cars" being sold by Mecum Auctions speaks to the same feeling; after all, the vast majority of these cars will never be used for their original purpose (daily driving) but stored, shown or sold -- just like slabs.

Whether we are doing this as a reaction to 9/11 or the financial crisis or covid (or all combined) is up for debate. Whatever the cause, I feel it conveys a deep uneasiness about our future and the realization coming times may not be as good.

Wow, and I always thought Gene was the Boards' Debbie Downer. 

[KirbyCollector]

On 2/1/2024 at 1:10 AM, tth2 said:

Wow, and I always thought Gene was the Boards' Debbie Downer. 

Yes, I know, the internet is not the place for serious discussion of any kind. What can I say, it's a hard habit to break.

Edited February 1 by KirbyCollector

[Bronty]

On 2/1/2024 at 1:10 AM, tth2 said:

Wow, and I always thought Gene was the Boards' Debbie Downer. 

And respectfully I just don't think its the right take.

I heard this whole thing referred to as Future Shock thirty years ago.    As I understand it, its not uneasiness about our future per se - its uneasiness about our present as compared to the past that we remember as kids.    I remember going to the library, the Dewey Decimal system, having to call people on the phone, pagers, all sorts of things that are totally ridiculously obsolete now and its comforting on some level to return to that sometimes because mentally we are dealing with more change in the present than we are really equipped / evolved to be totally comfortable with.  

So, its really not a doom and gloom scenario, but that sense of future shock or nostalgia or whatever you want to call it only gets stronger as the pace of change in the world speeds up.    1840 probably wasn't that different than 1810, not much to get nostalgic about, right?   And I'm truly sure that 640 wasn't much different than 610.      However, 2020 and 1990 are very very different - worlds apart.    There's more change in that 30 years than in 500 years in a different part of our species' timeline.

Edited February 1 by Bronty

[KirbyCollector]

That is it, exactly -- thank you for putting something concrete behind my abstract observations. A long time ago I used to contemplate the changes my one grandfather (born in 1907) saw during his first 40 years, and how shocking these must have been: phones, cars, planes, television, penicillin, not to mention running water, in-home bathrooms, washing machines, refrigerators etc etc. If you fell asleep in 1907 and then awoke in 1947, you wouldn't recognize your world. Considering what we have seen over the past 30 years alone, it has been a lot to take and definitely explains the need to literally encapsulate the past.

Edited February 1 by KirbyCollector

[comix4fun]

On 2/1/2024 at 8:38 AM, KirbyCollector said:

That is it, exactly -- thank you for putting something concrete behind my abstract observations. A long time ago I used to contemplate the changes my one grandfather (born in 1907) saw during his first 40 years, and how shocking these must have been: phones, cars, planes, television, penicillin, not to mention running water, in-home bathrooms, washing machines, refrigerators etc etc. If you fell asleep in 1907 and then awoke in 1947, you wouldn't recognize your world. Considering what we have seen over the past 30 years alone, it has been a lot to take and definitely explains the need to literally encapsulate the past.

When I tell my kids that when I was a child that I was the remote control (every kid born in the 60's and 70's knows what I mean) and we had 4 channels and UHF as entertainment....they start looking for homes that will take me for my elder care. 

[Bronty]

On 2/1/2024 at 9:38 AM, KirbyCollector said:

That is it, exactly -- thank you for putting something concrete behind my abstract observations. A long time ago I used to contemplate the changes my one grandfather (born in 1907) saw during his first 40 years, and how shocking these must have been: phones, cars, planes, television, penicillin, not to mention running water, in-home bathrooms, washing machines, refrigerators etc etc. If you fell asleep in 1907 and then awoke in 1947, you wouldn't recognize your world. Considering what we have seen over the past 30 years alone, it has been a lot to take and definitely explains the need to literally encapsulate the past.

Yes, that's true!    in 1907 you're riding a horse around town.    You wake up in 1947 and there's concrete everywhere and cars.    Huge changes all through the 1900s.

[Bronty]

On 2/1/2024 at 9:52 AM, comix4fun said:

When I tell my kids that when I was a child that I was the remote control (every kid born in the 60's and 70's knows what I mean) and we had 4 channels and UHF as entertainment....they start looking for homes that will take me for my elder care. 

When we drive by the seniors' home, my kid tells that's where I'm going to later  

[delekkerste]

On 9/29/2023 at 2:21 PM, grapeape said:

you da*n right..... 

 

 

 

Marianne Gravatte  

I will submit my sealed copy of this LP in my next grading submission (I have sealed copies of the Ratt EP and first four LPs in my collection ).

All this talk about nostalgia and whether now is better than then or vice versa...all I know is that '80s music and pop culture will never be exceeded as the high point of Western civilization!  

[comix4fun]

On 2/1/2024 at 9:06 AM, delekkerste said:

 

All this talk about nostalgia and whether now is better than then or vice versa...all I know is that '80s music and pop culture will never be exceeded as the high point of Western civilization!  

They made parachutes into PANTS....and....they solved the worldwide crisis of QUICKSAND during the 80's, as it was never seen as a plot point in TV or film again.

[KirbyCollector]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:06 AM, delekkerste said:

Marianne Gravatte  

I will submit my sealed copy of this LP in my next grading submission (I have sealed copies of the Ratt EP and first four LPs in my collection ).

All this talk about nostalgia and whether now is better than then or vice versa...all I know is that '80s music and pop culture will never be exceeded as the high point of Western civilization!  

Please don't take my opinion as criticism, Gene. Absent the CGC side of things, I'm mentally in the same boat -- aside from OA, I collect vintage 90s/00s toys AND run a web site devoted to mid-century items. I just felt there had to be a better explanation for the why of it (aside from the amorphous "nostalgia"), and future shock does fit the bill nicely.

[delekkerste]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:10 AM, comix4fun said:

They made parachutes into PANTS....and....they solved the worldwide crisis of QUICKSAND during the 80's, as it was never seen as a plot point in TV or film again.

[Bronty]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:06 AM, delekkerste said:

Marianne Gravatte  

I will submit my sealed copy of this LP in my next grading submission (I have sealed copies of the Ratt EP and first four LPs in my collection ).

All this talk about nostalgia and whether now is better than then or vice versa...all I know is that '80s music and pop culture will never be exceeded as the high point of Western civilization!  

Speaking of Marianne,

Here's the concept of future shock in a single jpg:

[Bronty]

And no disrespect to Marianne, time gets everybody in the end.    

[Will_K]

Makes me wanna crack the slabs of her Playboy issues. If I had any. Slabbed ones, that is. 

Edited February 1 by Will_K

[delekkerste]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:32 AM, Bronty said:

Speaking of Marianne,

Here's the concept of future shock in a single jpg:

 

I would wager a fiver that this isn't really her. I know people change over time but nothing about this woman looks like her.

Here is a photo posted by someone claiming to be her niece (refuting the authenticity of the 2019 photo above) which looks much more believable:

[PhilipB2k17]

On 1/31/2024 at 6:17 PM, comix4fun said:

Since the first Caveman bashed in the skull of his first mate and then kept the club as a memento of his young love.....humans have been thinking that. 

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[PhilipB2k17]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:52 AM, Will_K said:

Makes me wanna crack the slabs of her Playboy issues. If I had any. Slabbed ones, that is. 

First you have to crack the pages. 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:10 AM, comix4fun said:

They made parachutes into PANTS....and....they solved the worldwide crisis of QUICKSAND during the 80's, as it was never seen as a plot point in TV or film again.

 

[Bronty]

On 2/1/2024 at 10:52 AM, delekkerste said:

 

I would wager a fiver that this isn't really her. I know people change over time but nothing about this woman looks like her.

Here is a photo posted by someone claiming to be her niece (refuting the authenticity of the 2019 photo above) which looks much more believable:

I think I've just been debunked!

Let me just say.....................   WHEW.