Tec-Tac-Toe Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 9:47 AM, MAR1979 said: A bit less than 3 years ago the TP would have had higher value for a time. Not the "kind" of toilet paper I meant. Eww! The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 5:14 AM, lostboys said: These are the ASM issues that I cracked out. Im downsizing my graded book collection and trying to go about 90% raw. None of these books came out after 1986. They all should have had micro chamber paper. #193 195 196 197 200 201 202 209 210 229 230 239 250 251 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 276 Im guessing my 194, 252 and 238 probably dont have micro chamber paper either, based on these results. Thats not good. Terrible. How long ago were they slabbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 6:41 PM, newshane said: I don't mind the rise in prices near as much as the drop in quality service and care. I don't mind rising prices either. What I hate is terrible customer service. newshane and Mystafo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 4:24 PM, jcjames said: Terrible. How long ago were they slabbed? IM not sure but I purchased them all from Ebay within the last three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 5:19 AM, lostboys said: IM not sure but I purchased them all from Ebay within the last three years. The cert #s should say if you do a cert lookup Just curious how far back this glaring omission has been occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 8:51 AM, jcjames said: The cert #s should say if you do a cert lookup Just curious how far back this glaring omission has been occurring. Yeah, I know but Im not gonna look them all up. The cracked slabs/labels are in my basement in a box. I can say that all the labels are recent looking. jcjames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 12:44 PM, CGC Mike said: I have sent the team a copy of your post, and a link to this thread. Any update, Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Yorick and jcjames 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted October 23, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 23, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 5:45 AM, Get Marwood & I said: Any update, Mike? At this time, I have not been given anything to post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Today I cracked open 5 CGC slabs of bronze age Marvel books, so in addition to getting them into mylar with acid free and buffered backing boards I checked them for microchamber paper. The grade dates were as follows: 10/2018 12/2021 5/2023 8/2023 8/2023 Of the five, all had microchamber paper. Two had two sheets while the remaining three had one sheet. Those with two sheets had them placed between the first two and again between the last two interior pages. Those with one had it placed either in the centerfold (1) or between the last two interior pages (2). So while it's a very small sample, it demonstrates that CGC has not made a decision to uniformly leave out microchamber paper. It suggests, instead, that most BA books, even submissions graded in August, were still being protected by microchamber paper. Your mileage may vary, and I have no information for comics graded after this past August or any Copper Age books. The Lions Den and Get Marwood & I 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 This thread got me curious so I decided to crack out a Bronze key today, graded on 08/10/2022, it had a single sheet of micro chamber paper in the centrefold. namisgr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I just opened 2 silver-age slabs. The first was graded on 9/22 and had no paper at all. The second was graded on 1/23 and one sheet between the 1st and 2nd pages. They were both low grade (3.5 & 4.0) so I wonder if that enters into it at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshane Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 7:22 PM, CGC Mike said: At this time, I have not been given anything to post here. Not surprising. The CGC got caught with their pants down. I hope the company can quickly turn back to secure packaging and proper long term preservation. Treat everyone's books like they are worth a million dollars. jcjames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric C M Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Keep this topic alive everyone! We deserve an answer! newshane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Get Marwood & I Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 5:05 AM, Eric C M said: Keep this topic alive everyone! We deserve an answer! Indeed. @CGC Mike what's taking so long Mike? People are paying for a service on the understanding that MicroChamber paper is always present. We're asking CGC to clarify what we're paying for, and MicroChamber paper is an important part of long term preservation. I would've thought an early response would be in order? jimbo_7071, Sauce Dog, MBFan and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Third and final chaser from me - perhaps someone else can take up the cause on behalf of the community if no response comes? @CGC Mike Mike, will CGC be providing an answer on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 Cracked another last night. ASM 295 CGC 9.4 slabbed on 3/14/23 No paper inside. I have a few more coming next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 OK. CGC appear unwilling to explain the circumstances under which microchamber paper is used. Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but I always thought there was a general expectation in the community that the answer should be "at all times" - certainly for books of a certain age. Read into it what you will. newshane and jcjames 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostboys Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 7:26 AM, Get Marwood & I said: OK. CGC appear unwilling to explain the circumstances under which microchamber paper is used. Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but I always thought there was a general expectation in the community that the answer should be "at all times" - certainly for books of a certain age. Read into it what you will. Cracked an old label slab with a modern book inside last night. ASM 348 CGC 9.8 slabbed in 2003 CGC #0041112005 This book had 2 pieces of paper inside. One in the front cover and one in the back. If this book had 2 pieces, its safe to say there was a time when all books got paper...that must have stopped at some point. The Lions Den, jcjames, newshane and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshane Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) Isn't this false advertising? The CGC states on their website that all books receive microchamber paper, but they clearly do not. False advertising is an actionable civil claim under Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act. Grounds for a lawsuit? 1. The ads of the opposing party were false or misleading. 2. The ads deceived, or had the capacity to deceive consumers. 3. The deception had a material effect on purchasing decisions. Edited November 2, 2023 by newshane MAR1979 and Eric C M 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
