What is this on my CGC 9.8 modern book ? 1 1

[Max Carnage]

The left bottom front cover shows what looks like missing color ?  Is this considered a manufacture issue like a bindery tear and is allowed in a 9.8 ?

Thanks for any guidance.

David

Edited February 13 by Max Carnage

[The Lions Den]

I'd classify that as color loss which could be related to the manufacturing process due to the type of cover stock used. Books like this will usually fall in the 9.6 range, but if it's a common flaw to the book CGC will often be more lenient with the grade, which may be what happened in this case. It could also be common color loss due to the process of having the book encapsulated. 

Either way, you appear to have won the CGC sweepstakes... 

[Engr62]

Unfortunately the combination of cover material in conjunction with the way the comics are distributed results in rubbing of the spine against the box during shipment.  Bry's comics has a good video showing what is allowed in a 9.8 on his YouTube channel.  This spine rub is one of those defects that seem to be almost treated as manufacturing and allowed in 9.8 (I have several SIKTC in 9.8 with slight spine rub).  I guess maybe CGC considers the handling during the current distribution channels to be part of the manufacturing process. 

[Yorick]

On 2/13/2024 at 4:12 AM, The Lions Den said:

It could also be common color loss due to the process of having the book encapsulated.

This.  I'm certain the graders wouldn't cause damage to books, but do the graders also operate the encapsulation equipment?  Too many books are coming back with corner bends or tiny folded corners or squished into frames slightly too tight.

[dbcn]

On 2/14/2024 at 2:21 PM, Yorick said:

I'm certain the graders wouldn't cause damage to books

Sadly due to some of my recently graded, brand new, easy 9.8s that came back graded lower, or significantly graded lower, do not share this certainty.

[The Lions Den]

On 2/14/2024 at 2:18 PM, Engr62 said:

Unfortunately the combination of cover material in conjunction with the way the comics are distributed results in rubbing of the spine against the box during shipment.  Bry's comics has a good video showing what is allowed in a 9.8 on his YouTube channel.  This spine rub is one of those defects that seem to be almost treated as manufacturing and allowed in 9.8 (I have several SIKTC in 9.8 with slight spine rub).  I guess maybe CGC considers the handling during the current distribution channels to be part of the manufacturing process. 

There's a saying I remember that was used by some of the graders to describe certain flaws on certain books: "They all have it!"  

[Yorick]

On 2/14/2024 at 11:44 AM, dbcn said:

Sadly due to some of my recently graded, brand new, easy 9.8s that came back graded lower, or significantly graded lower, do not share this certainty.

I'm saying that I do not believe it's the graders.  Rather, it's the encapsulation department doing the damage.  If the book got a 9.8, then why is it now looking like a 9.4 with spine ticks and blunted corners in the slab?

Regardless, we don't know the internal processes at CGC.  The end result is what we see, and I concur that books are being damaged.

[The Lions Den]

On 2/14/2024 at 2:21 PM, Yorick said:

This.  I'm certain the graders wouldn't cause damage to books, but do the graders also operate the encapsulation equipment?  Too many books are coming back with corner bends or tiny folded corners or squished into frames slightly too tight.

Think of it this way: If the grading room is the brain, the encapsulation room is the digestive system... 

[dbcn]

On 2/14/2024 at 2:54 PM, Yorick said:

I concur that books are being damaged

Totally agree - it may be the encapsulation process that's damaging the books on the way out (which seems to be happening with this example), but my experience has been that the damage is happening before it gets to the graders, or maybe during it's time with the graders.

I can't say for certain where it's happening, but I also don't get the sense that CGC particularly cares either, or at least enough to warrant trying to track the source down.

 

[newshane]

On 2/13/2024 at 6:12 AM, The Lions Den said:

It could also be common color loss due to the process of having the book encapsulated. 

 

How, exactly, does this happen? 

Looks more like a manufacturing defect than handling. 

I mean, it seems like the CGC never had this many issues with encapsulation in the past. They have apparently hired a crew of drunken chimpanzees to encapsulate our books - one of the most critical and important steps in the entire grading process. I have totally lost faith in submitting now. Too many horror stories dealing with encapsulation. 

Edited February 14 by newshane

[The Lions Den]

On 2/14/2024 at 4:22 PM, newshane said:

How, exactly, does this happen? 

Looks more like a manufacturing defect than handling. 

I mean, it seems like the CGC never had this many issues with encapsulation in the past. They have apparently hired a crew of drunken chimpanzees to encapsulate our books - one of the most critical and important steps in the entire grading process. I have totally lost faith in submitting now. Too many horror stories dealing with encapsulation. 

I'm completely flummoxed!  

[Axe Elf]

On 2/14/2024 at 1:59 PM, The Lions Den said:

Think of it this way: If the grading room is the brain, the encapsulation room is the digestive system... 

That would explain what comes out of there.

[Max Carnage]

On 2/14/2024 at 9:22 PM, newshane said:

They have apparently hired a crew of drunken chimpanzees to encapsulate our books

Sorry I found this too funny not to have some fun with ChatGPT.  Which is your favorite ?

 

[newshane]

On 2/15/2024 at 5:51 AM, Max Carnage said:

Sorry I found this too funny not to have some fun with ChatGPT.  Which is your favorite ?

 

 

1. Those offices look neater than the ones in Sarasota. 

2. Needs less ties. More neckbeards.